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Worst Muppet Movie?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by MuppetFan12, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    That is very true, I agree. to be honest, I think that MFS was not phenomenal, but it was a pretty decent movie. I liked Gonzo and Rizzo in it.
     
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    MFS is very much Gonzo's movie. If that's taken into account it makes the film more enjoyable. Plus the scenes with Bobo and Jeffery Tambor are just priceless. I wish they made him the Wizard's bumbling assistant in MWO. I would have liked it more.
     
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  3. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    I totally agree. In fact, one of my favorite bonus features of the movie is that you can watch along with Gonzo and Rizzo, and their remarks are hilarious. :)
     
  4. David French

    David French Active Member

    Actually, I thought Muppet Wizard of Oz was entertaining and had a good script.
     
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There is no defending MWO. The script was lousy and the whole thing was a commercial for American Idol. It was an embarrassment, and the poor reception not only killed all plans Disney had for the Muppets at the time, it also successfully killed "The Wonderful World of Disney." Yep. A decades long tradition died from a lame Wizard of Oz remake.

    The only defense I ever hear if "it's true to the book." If that's the case, why bother making a Muppet Wizard of Oz when you can just make Wizard of Oz? There are those who didn't like MCC and MTI because the characters weren't playing themselves and using a pre-existing story. And I agree, that was a strange move and I prefer Muppet movies about the Muppets. But those films worked on the merits of strong scripts by Jerry Juhl. MWO was not only a step back in that direction after MFS and VMX, but the script was dark, cynical, UNMuppety, and overall trying desperately to do what worked in VMX and failing hard. This film didn't need to be made, and far better scripts that were tossed around after VMX. They were written in vain so a lackluster, overtold tale was made in its place.

    In short, The Muppet Babies did a better Wizard of Oz in 5 minutes than the entire 80 minute film.
     
  6. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    The Muppets (2011). First of all, it was too sentimental and kind of sloppy, the script was "meh", and the characters seeemed off. The songs were pretty good, but everything else was not what I wanted to see. Out of 5 stars, I gave this movie a 3.

    Muppets' Wizard Of Oz - Worst. Muppet. Movie Ever.

    The sequel, "Muppet Most Wanted", I loved that movie and saw it more than once.

    Sadly, I am also one of those Muppet fans not to be casual all the time. My life would be too boring if I wasn't becoming a true one.
     
  7. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    At the moment I'm seriously tempted to dub MMW as the worst I've ever seen, but the scenes with Kermit in the gulag gave it a couple points up.
     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There's so little to like in that film. Scooter's in it, the Electric Mayhem have a number (where they say the same thing over and over)... that's the only thing really good about it.

    Considering some members are forcing it down my throat, I may give KSY a chance, but I'd still rather look for the physical video to purchase than watch it online.
     
  9. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    To be honest I dont hate any of the muppet films or tv films....but the worst ones for me have to be KSY or MCC but i still enjoy MCC everry once in a while. The best one by far is a tie between TMM and MMW
     
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  10. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member


    At the risk of being "evil-unpopular-opinion-girl" again, Muppets Wizard of Oz at least made me laugh more than once, which is more than I can say for The Muppets (not that it was a good movie, but at least there was that). I laughed once when I saw The Muppets (the barbershop quartet scene), smiled at a few cute scenes, and that was it.
     
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  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I admit, I initially thought I liked it, and there's a few decent segments. But after a while, it sank in and I just really thought it was dark, cynical, and it made the world where Kermit wasn't born look positively saccharine by comparison. Statler and Waldorf are supposed to be funny. In this movie they come across as trolls, not a Greek Chorus of self deprecation.

    And there is no excuse for a Muppet movie to be an advertisement for a television show. And I don't mean that cross promotional MTM Muppet Babies fantasy. Fox's hand in the production used to be a mystery, but it was a very not at all subtle commercial for American Idol. That tie in didn't need to be in there. This telefilm clearly was supposed to air on Fox before Disney bought it, and it was clearly meant to tie into their popular show. I mean, it's worse than the NBC crosspromotional stuff in VMX.

    Being generous, this could have been a decent project if they gave it more time and had a stronger script, better cinematography and someone who could act. I dunno. Plus, I have to admit, the more I hear about the Hamlet parody film, the more I dislike this one for being made instead.
     
  12. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I can at least appreciate MWoO for having the most astonishingly accurate Scooter replacement. Wasn't expecting that, lol. And yeah I didn't laugh much during TM2011 either.
     
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  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If the defenses are "it has Scooter in it" and matter of taste "it made me laugh a little more" you have to admit something's wrong right there. It's nice that it had some old characters, I'll give it that.

    MWO has no reason to exist. We had much stronger script ideas flooding Henson after the success of VMX. Even if the script was good, we had someone who could act, and they didn't think they were filming a 1960's episode of Batman, it would still be a classic retelling. That was a step backward. The other 2 classic retellings at least came from an odd necessity of having to work around the deaths of Jim Henson and Richard Hunt, trying to regain its footing. This one just happened somehow. Maybe if it had a round of rewrites and waited to get into production, they could have made it a much more satisfying film.

    Taking the Muppets out of the equation and focusing on the Wizard of Oz aspect, this was the worst Dorothy there ever was. Can't act, came off like a Mary Sue. Only worse Dorothy I could think of is the Seta Super Nintendo Game that can't seem to land on a platform.
     
  14. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    I like elements of MWO, but it really is quite a bad movie for the Muppets. Granted, a bad Muppet movie is better than most "good" movies, but still... I expect better of them.
     
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  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Well I didn't just say "it has Scooter in it." I said it was the best replacement I had heard. I can watch that one scene and enjoy myself. ;)
     
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'll agree to that.

    There are characters that try to save this movie, but not to the level of MFS salvation. While MFS is a weak film on many levels, the scenes with Johnny, Sal, Bobo, Pepe, and especially VanNeuter were priceless.


    Taking the Muppets out of the equation, it's the worst Wizard of Oz adaption. Or at least one of them. Even if Ashanti could act, Dorothy was awful in this project. I can't blame the Muppets for it, if anything they make it slightly better than it could be. But imagine if this wasn't a Muppet movie and it was a straight up Wizard of Oz with the same American Idol tie in. On the one hand, every adaption of Oz ever has to be compared to the 1930's movie. And I'll admit, that's unfair. I'd LOVE to see a straight up book adaption of the story someday. But on the other hand, they modernized the story in some very superficial, plasticky ways. I'll give them credit for the CGI the Wizard used. That's sort of in character. But the Wicked Witch filming a snuff film reality TV show and making her like an evil Anna Nichole/Brittney/Jessica Simpson (and whoever else had those forgettable shows). That's even less fresh a reference than the Crock Hunter gag.
     
  17. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I liked the TMS season 1 and Kermit's 50th commercials before watching MWoO much better than MWoO, in fact I skipped the entire beginning portion of the film with Dorthy singing. Another problem with this film. They have an established dog character who was beiginning to be phased in, and then in this they replaced Rowlf as the dog with Pepe. REALLY!! That was the point where I started hating on Pepe a bit. But at least at least this was better than that Gaga death trap. That was much worst than the American Idol/MWoO thing, heck it was a 60-min. commercial to watch MMW and buy the Gaga songs.
     
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Rowlf would never have worked as Toto anyway.

    Also the Gaga thing isn't a movie. It was a crosspromotional thing where the Muppets were added in last minute. I'd agree that it was bad if only the Liberace episode of The Muppet Show didn't exist.
     
  19. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    To all those who disliked The Muppets (2011), I don't blame you. I mean I thought it was a decent film, but it wasn't made for we hardcore fans. The film wanred to re-introduce something, in my opinion, while good, it tryed to much to be hip and new. I can almost see the people making the film

    Person 1: Ok, we need to make the muppets all new and like swag, so let's find some celebs that're like totally popular and like hip.

    Person 2: Jason Siegel, Neil Patrick Harris, Amy Adams, Whoopie, Selena, and that kid from Modern Family.

    Person 3: Perfect, good job, we've finished the film, now let's go get a pizza.

    The film was made for non-muppet fans and had some minor throwbacks for we hardcore ones. Then Muppets Most Wanted was made for long time hardcore fans as well as the new fans that the previous film created.
     
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  20. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    I agree to disagree my friend. I think it was made for hard-core and casual fans. I mean there are several references only true fans get like Bobo and Deadly singing Together Again, the "This is going to be a really short movie" reminded me of GMC, and Rizzo skating in his outfit from MCC, so I have to disagree, but I respect everyone's opinion!
     


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