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Worst Muppet Movie?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by MuppetFan12, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. JJandJanice

    JJandJanice Well-Known Member

    I see what you're saying, but at the same time, I wouldn't call that a "plot point" either. Those were Muppets that didn't have a speaking role and were just in the background and he's calling it a "Muppet goof," that they're back in the gualuag?If you have EVERY LITTLE detail explain in a movie and as you said a Muppet movie at that, it ruins the movie. I'm pretty sure he's the only one who was wondering how Blind Pew got caught again.

    Than a post about movies that aren't Muppet movies? Let's take that to the general discussion please.

    Like DrTooth said, I don't want to come off like I'm picking on this forum member, but most posts I've read of his, he honestly doesn't get the point a lot of the times. I'm sure he (she) means well and all, but it just comes off as trying to get your post count up.
     
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  2. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    No matter how minute, it is still a point in the plot- though obviously they must have been caught. I'd call it more of a nitpick, I guess. I don't have an issue with pondering on minutiae details of movies- but I agree that it should be done in the appropriate thread.
    It's important to keep in mind that there is a person behind every avatar and though I'm certainly not perfect at it, I try to remember to extend grace and understanding to everyone. I don't know anything about the motivations of the poster. I'm sure if it's an issue, one of the moderators will address it.
    Otherwise, like Jim Henson once said, "Take what you've got and fly with it.":jim:
    I guess I just don't worry too much about such things. But yeah- if it's an issue, let the mods. know so they can handle it.:cool::)
     
  3. Flaky Pudding

    Flaky Pudding Well-Known Member

    Muppet Wizard of Oz, Letters to Santa, and Kermit Swamp Year
     
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  4. fozzieisfunny

    fozzieisfunny Well-Known Member

    Why is everybody sending hate to Kermit's Swamp Years?
     
  5. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Because it's terrible. The "Life as a Pet" segment is the singular brilliant gem in an otherwise disposable kiddie video that took the fantastic Muppet franchise, beloved by kids and adults, then reduced it to a Barney & Friends style script featuring rubber-faced actors. It pains me to say it, but if any Muppet project deserves an F this is it.
     
  6. fozzieisfunny

    fozzieisfunny Well-Known Member

    If you take away the kiddieness ( and there's not even that much of it), how would it be? It would be just fine! And, it is nothing like Barney! This one is much, MUCH more for mature audiences because a frog gets run over by a car, there is dissections! Try showing that to test Barney audiences, and their parents will yell at you.
     
  7. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I stand by my statement. It is not "much much more for mature audiences" or whatever that means. Any alleged violence is cartoony and that's fine. Aside from that, the film is the most kiddified Muppets production to date. Kermit deserves a better origin story than this toss-away kids vid.
     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    While I never saw that much of it, I'll admit to not wanting to defend it. Though it's painfully obvious this was meant to be a TV show, Frog School, and said TV show was going to be for preschoolers.

    Which makes me wonder... were we actually just better off with one lame DTV movie, or would the show have actually been better? The animated segments the article mentions sound promising, but I dunno if the rest of the series sounds that good either. KSY was pretty much a sign that said that the Frog best be left to all ages family projects, and his preschool days were best left on Sesame Street.
     
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  9. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I agree, if you are going to turn the muppets into dumb preschool material than I can not live with you. Let us just be thankful that none of the other muppets besides Kermit, Statler, and Waldorf made appearances, that would have been dreadful. While at least it was better than having another preschool series, so we were better off. So while I do not like the film, it is better than another Muppet Babies or Playhouse Video scenario. I hope that nothing like this will happen in the future.
     
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  10. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Also, I really do not see KSY as a muppet movie. What is funny though that it was made around the time VMX, a PG film, was made and MWoO, need I say more, so ya all of those had Kermit, he really can entertain for all ages, such a guy.
     
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  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    VMX was created to go for as many demos as possible without ignoring the long time fans. But it seems to me that they thought of the nostalgic college age kids for the most part. And it worked for that film. It's horribly dated now, not just in terms of Crock Hunter references, but the style of the humor and writing screams "early 00's." As I said with MWO many times, they tried too hard to emulate what VMX did and failed horribly at it.

    As for KSY, I'll agree with you. Unlike Muppet Babies, the project didn't leave an impact on the franchise, and didn't ad to the decline of The Muppets as preschool material. Something that plagued the franchise from the late 80's to early 90's. I really think Jim was trying to pawn the Muppets off on little kids while saving Creature Shop masterworks like Labyrinth and Dark Crystal for older audiences. As a Muppet Babies fan, I appreciate what the show accomplished in terms of early child entertainment in the 80's, which gave us the downright creepy if you think about it Care Bears. They're voyeurs that want to convert everyone on Earth to their cult, for crying out loud. Cobra Commander was a less sinister 1980's figure. Oh, great... I'm off topic.

    Eh, yeah, that KSY... I'll agree that the Muppets are better than a toss away kiddy DTV. But on the plus side, that's all KSY will ever be. No adaption displacement, no continuations or revisions... just a forgotten thing in a sea of much better Muppet movies, DTV or not.
     
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  12. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    The thing is that when VMX came out, people liked it, and it was seen as a muppet revival. Now, for whatever reason, maybe because of TM'11, people call it a creepy fan fiction written by an emo guy. Why does the film not get much respect?
     
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The only people who say that are detractors. Worst case scenario, it was a fan fic. Most people seem to love the emotional aspect and whined that MMW didn't have it, and therefore it was awful for some reason. MMW actually made me like TM less for that reason. VMX was written to be the hip style of humor that was in at the time. It only sort of holds up, I'll admit. No one remembers Moulin Rouge anymore, and making an extended parody of it only worked at that time.

    Then again, it was on TV and you didn't have to pay to watch it... I still really like VMX, and at the time, it was the Muppet project that had elements that were missing in the last three films before it. MWOZ tried the exact same thing and failed at it roundly. It didn't hold up when it came out. VMX has the excuse that it used a Family Guy/Simpsons/Scary Movie style humor, and all three were in vogue at the time (or at least using that style of humor for Simpsons and Family Guy)... MWO is sloppy all around. The pop culture bits are supposed to get tweenagers and college kids over Muppet fans. All we got was like Scooter and the Electric Mayhem actually performing a couple numbers (where they sang like 10 words). And that's a bright spot the certainly has a leg up over KSY... but the Kelly Osborne bit, stunt casting, and just overall trying to hard to be edgy just made the film even worse than it needed to be. Worst MMW had is a throwaway reference to One Direction. That's the only thing I really disliked in the movie.
     
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  14. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Same with me besides the lack of Gonzo. MMW will always be miles higher, quality wise, than MWoO, and all that, but just because Jason Siegel ditched, and oh supposedly the plot is extremely predictable. Just because you had a movie like TM'11, which in my opinion is nowhere near as good as MMW, does not mean you can call MMW bad, and a dissapointment.
     
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think the problem is that TM is a very emotional movie to the point where it's a sadist show (seriously, how much was Kermit absolutely dumped on in that picture?), and this next one was a comic romp, more in tune with the original two movies, which played with old film tropes. Comedy Ghetto at its finest. They managed to comedy ghetto a franchise so associated with comedy that one of the main characters was a comedian! That's...I don't know what that is, actually.
     
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  16. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    You know, I realized my thoughts on MWoO can be summed up with one of Kermit's quotes.

    You can't beat the classics, you can only destroy them. -Kermit
     
  17. fozzieisfunny

    fozzieisfunny Well-Known Member

    Which leads me to my world famous quote:

    Kermit says that you can't beat the classics, you can only destroy them.. Well, TMM is a classic, and its sequel, GMC, is a film that some people like better.
     
  18. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    You do not get my point, I love GMC more than TMM myself, but my point was that MWoO was a remake of a classic, while GMC was an indirect sequel, you are not making a fair comparision.
     
  19. fozzieisfunny

    fozzieisfunny Well-Known Member

    Oh, I get it... Yeah, MWoO SUUUCCCKKKKEEEDDDD. And, it's my friend's favorite Muppet movie. ( facepalm)
     
  20. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    So, is your friend really a muppet fan, or does your friend just watch them, because you asked your friend to watch the films?
     

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