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Worst Muppet Movie?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by MuppetFan12, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. conburke621

    conburke621 Member

    I can't STAND Muppets Wizard of Oz or Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie. Those two weren't even trying to be Muppety, they just wrote parodies and slapped the characters on them. Muppets From Space is the worst of the theatrical releases in my opinion, but it's really not that bad a movie. I think I just dislike it because it's not a musical. I dunno, that's just me.
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    VMX had a sizable non-Muppet fan viewership. The ratings were spectacular, and they completely beat a crappy Brady Bunch movie on the same night. When it wasn't trying to be the Christmas version of Scary Movie type films (in context, that worked for then), it did have its moments. It was riding the coattails (or maybe creating the coattails) of the 2002 era Muppet comeback. Palisades Toys just started making Muppet figures and possibilities for new telefilms and TV shows were flying around (which sadly nothing came out of). it may not have been a great film, but it was a very invigorating time for the Muppets and the fanbase.

    MWOz broke the franchise. It just completely broke it. MFS broke the film franchise, but to be fair everyone hated working on it.... but MWOZ came out at a terrible time. That was the big thing Disney was going to use to launch the Muppets under their ownership, it got disastrous ratings against the Daytime Emmys (because there were still those Soap Opera things back then, so people cared) ON opening night of a Star Wars movie. And then, every single plan Disney had for the Muppets fizzled out until about LTS, then they were slowly trying to build it back up before the Muppets came out. But really... MWOZ is the Muppet's Batman and Robin. Campy, ugly, franchise killing.
  3. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member

    I don't know if anyone else has ever seen or heard of Muppet Classic Theater, but I think that even Statler and Waldorf would find this one unbelievably absurd (which is quite normal for them, even when they're not sitting in their theater box).....


    It consists of 6 fairy tales:

    Rumpelstiltskin (played by Gonzo), The Emperor's New Clothes (with Fozzie as the Emperor of Fozzalia), The Elves and the Shoemaker (the elves look like Elvis Presley), The Three Little Pigs (with Andy and Randy "This job's too hard!", and Miss Piggy as Sandy), King Midas (with Kermit in the title role, and Miss Piggy as Queen Midas), and Gonzo as The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

    I haven't actually seen this (I just found it on the web while looking up other movies featuring the Muppets), and it sounds like the Muppets with a Fractured Fairy Tales twist, but if any of you have any memories of this, feel free to share.....
  4. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    That's not really a movie. It's more of a direct-to-video special. In my opinion, it was okay, but not fantastic. There were some fun bits sprinkled throughout. The stories are a mixed bag. And the songs are kind of forgettable.
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  5. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    I have MCT, and overall I wasn't impressed. It just didn't seem that funny to me, and I didn't care for the songs at all. It felt like they wanted to make a video with the Muppets, but they didn't have a story to tell, so they did the usual and plopped 'em into some public domain stories. That said, I did find the Shoemaker & The Elves kind of amusing, and it's always fun to see Gonzo & Rizzo together. However, it's a pet peeve that in this and some other productions Fozzie is portrayed as a village idiot type. C'mon, that's just flippin' mean.

    You can buy it on VHS fer cheap on Amazon. Unlike The Muppets Go To The Movies, which has never been put on video in North America and which I'd like to see. Hmm, maybe as an extra with Seasons 4 and 5. (Hey, I can dream.)
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  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It seems that the character was going to be Flanderized into one, mistaking his goofiness for stupidity. Fozzie has never said anything stupid before. Sometimes naive, but never stupid. I blame how he was portrayed in MTI, because you can tell that's the direction he was going in when you count this DTV thing and MFS. Eric really breathed new life into the character, and he's been his old Fozzie self ever since VMX.

    But I've seen the Classics theater in segments on YT... They probably work better as short segments than a full movie. Makes you wonder if this was going to be something else in the long run. There are those Disney DTV projects that are thinly disguised pilots of unsold shows. Especially the heartbreaking Atlantis series, which WOULD have been better as a TV show than a movie. Greg Wiseman, that's why.
  7. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Actually, that'a a TV special, not a movie.
  8. miss kermie

    miss kermie Well-Known Member

    Does Dog city count?

    I bought the movie.
  9. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I saw the Elvis Elves segment at a Jim Henson exhibit at the art museum back in 2005... it cracked me up to be perfectly honest... I haven't seen any of the other segments from it, so I can't really judge it as a whole, but that one certainly cracked me up.
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  10. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Also a TV special. And I wouldn't exactly put that in the official Muppet category. Yes, the characters are Henson creations, yes they were performed by the familiar performers, and yes Rowlf appears, but I think Dog City (and a few other specials, like Tale of a Bunny Picnic, Christmas Toy, Song of the Cloud Forest, and Emmett Otter's Jug Band Christmas) should be considered stand-alone specials.
  11. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    The Elvis Elves was probably the funniest bit in the entire video. Definitely a favorite segment of mine.
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  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    It helped too that just before that, they played the Tony Bennett episode of MT.
  13. snichols1973

    snichols1973 Well-Known Member

    Not only a TV special, but it also inspired the spin-off series of the same name, which ran on Fox Kids from Sept. 1992 to Jan. 1995.

  14. vettech28

    vettech28 Well-Known Member

    I feel bad for calling some Muppet movies the worst I've seen, but these are ones I never want to watch again, The Muppets' Wizard of Oz, Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie, both these movies are far too modern for me, that's not the Muppets at all! I don't really care for Kermit's Swamp Years or Muppets from Space either.

    I actually like Muppet Classic Theater. It's not the best Muppet movie, but it's good enough to watch.
  15. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Muppets From Space is hands-down the worst Muppet film ever made. Truly terrible. The ingreedients are all there yet they go the most dull and hackneyed path possible. I'd be okay if they pretended it didn't happen and just shot Juhl's script sometime in the future.

    The worst non-theatrical Muppet movie is Kermit's Swamp Years. It's a watered-down rehash with little charm or humor for those over 5-years old. This is what would happen to the Muppets if purchased by the Barney/Oogieloves people. It's not that bad, but close. Like MFS, this film broke my heart.

    I liked The Muppets. I was a little disappointed at first, but it quickly grew on me. It was less of a film and more of a movement. And Walter was wonderful!

    I prefer TMM and GMC as the two best Muppet films ever. I feel MTM and MCC are a little overrated. I just don't get lost in the worlds of these movies like I do the first two. MTI was a fun romp. It's kind of the median-Muppet film IMHO.

    I guess Muppet love is often a generational thing.
  16. MissMusical12

    MissMusical12 Well-Known Member

    I agree. Muppet Classic Theater wasn't the best Muppet Movie, but I still enjoyed it. (I was 5 the first time I watched it and it has a special place in my heart as the first Muppet-related thing, other than Sesame Street, that I ever watched).
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    MFS is a exercise in carelessness. The director was a hack, no one liked filming it, and when the biggest star you have in the film is Rob Schneider... RUN! I could turn this into a 5 page discussion on just how his inclusion was bad for the film. I agree with South Park on Rob Schneider. Derp de derp de teedly tum.

    I wish they filmed, at the very least, all the stuff Joey wrote. Just for a Donner cut of the film. I really hope a script gets leaked one of these days.

    Yet, I'm loathed to loathe it. There were parts of the film that genuinely worked. Mostly between Jeffery Tambor and Bobo. The sequence with the rats and the one with Van Neuter are the highlights of the film. It's just everything besides those moments, the opening, and Gonzo's party, everything was a lost opportunity. Gonzo, Rizzo, and the new characters were in pretty good form, Kermit, Piggy, and a Flanderized stupid Fozzie seemed there for the pay check and zombied their way through. And where the heck are the other Muppets from between the opening to the party, and then the rest of the film? MFS had the potential to be a decent movie at best, but too many lost opportunities, especially ones forcibly thrown away for house painting and mail checking.

    I dunno... I didn't see it yet, but MWOz's ugly jadedness seems almost worse than sugary sweetness. LTS, I quite enjoyed, but it did taste a little saccharine (Postal workers singing "We're Delivering Dreams?" I need insulin). But enjoyable overall (even though it screamed "rushed"). But MWO represented ALL that is wrong with the media. The whole special revolved around an ersatz American Idol show. No matter what, that was the lowest point in a Muppet film, perhaps their history. But that does explain Fox's hand in the film. I bet they intended on airing it on Fox with American Idol really being mentioned, and the judges playing themselves. Even though VMX is rife with NBC promos (anything done by Universal NBC has to at least plug everything in sight... look at Get him to the Greek's random references to Biggest Loser), they didn't make the show look like the hero of the movie.
  18. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Every reason that I love the Muppets is obliterated by KSY. The puppeteering was good of course, and there was one nice little musical sequence, but the same could be said about Muppets Wizard of Oz. KSY makes that look like a masterpiece.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    They're both two lowest common denominators. One for children's entertainment, the other for family entertainment. I have yet to see KSY yet have heard horrible things. MWoz tried to be VMX and failed. While VMX is dated in its style of humor, it was lightning in a bottle. MWO tried to be edgy, but came out depressing. But you got to wonder. How bad were the other scripts that were floating around at that time for them to just do another classic retelling?
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    See, I find that to be the other way around, but, to each their own, I guess.

    As far as KSY goes, since you haven't seen it yet, let me be the first to tell you that, seriously, it's nowhere near as bad as everybody in this thread has been making it out to be, it's actually the better of the TV movies.

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