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Your Fave(& Least Fave)Modern Characters?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by beaker, Sep 16, 2010.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Just curious what some of your favorite and least favorite modern Muppet characters are? I guess I would use Jim Henson Hour to present. So 1989-2010 as "modern", which is fairly modern in the 55 year span of the Muppets.

    Some examples I guess would be:

    Digit
    Leon
    Big Mean Carl
    Chef Angelo
    Mo Frackle
    Joe the Armadillo
    Nigel the director
    Goggles
    Croaker
    Big Head
    Denise(Muppets Tv France)
    Mopatop
    Zondra
    Pokey/Easy Peasey
    Lester Possum
    Lindburgh
    Waldo
    Chip
    Bean Bunny
    Sal
    Johnny Fiama
    Bobo the bear
    Puppyduck
    Seymour
    etc etc etc

    I'd have to say my absolute favorite Muppets of the last two decades have been Big Mean Carl, Digit, Joe The Armadillo,
    Lindburgh, Zondra, Bobo The Bear, Bean Bunny, Mo Frackle, and Leon.

    My least favorites/most annoying to me would be:

    Bad Andy, Bill Bubbles, Mr Poodlepants, Randy and Andy, and Spamela Hamderson
     
  2. beatnikchick300

    beatnikchick300 Well-Known Member

    Least favorite is easy:
    PEPE. Andy and Randy are pretty annoying, too. There's funny stupid, but then there's just stupid stupid. And THEN, there's annoyingly stupid, which Andy and Randy are.


    Favorite, though? Probably Johnny and Sal.
     
  3. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Hmm. My least favorite are easily Andy and Randy. When they're onscreen I want to fast-forward. After them, Pepe. Not because I hate his schtick so much as because he's so bleedin' overused. He was one of the biggest flaws in MWoO, in my opinion. And finally, Digit. He always looked out of place to me. I got the feeling that he was the love child of Data from ST:TNG and Beaker, with a dash of Christopher Lloyd for his voice.

    Faves: Bobo. At first I thought he was boring, but he's since grown on me. It's nice to see low-key, laid-back characters once in a while. Then Big Mean Carl, but I wouldn't want to see too much of him or he'd become as irritating as Pepe.
     
  4. Nick22

    Nick22 Active Member

    i love bobo and i like johnny fiama. i dunno who i hate. i don't think i necessarily hate any of em yet, but i haven't rully watched to much of them yet either
     
  5. Frogpuppeteer

    Frogpuppeteer Well-Known Member

    Fves are Pepe and Johnny Fiama and Sal ...love those guys

    least fave...Bubble bill...he creeps me out a little everytime he blows bubbles out i think he is gonna take a dump
     
  6. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Man, how did I forget Pepe? He's like my second favorite Muppet of all time. I LOVVVVE Bobo as well. Disney NEEDS to make a Bobo vinylmation.
     
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The worst new Muppet characters... well, the worst of any characters (and the Simpsons is SOOOOO guilty of this) is a one note joke they keep forcing down your throat, trying to make them a character, yet not giving them a personality beyond their joke stereotypes.

    All those ones just listed were basically one note jokes that came into being characters... Johnny and Sal actually grew in the series, and Pepe, Bobo, VanNeuter transcended their segments and became funny characters in their own right.

    I will say, the Muppet comics version of Andy and Randy was actually quite the improvement. Their only really good bit was during the John Goodman episode when they vowed to be his slaves, driving John up the wall. Other than that, they were the prerequisite dumb guys doing dumb guy stuff. Spamella was one of the off pop culture jokes in the series. There were a lot of genuine good pop culture gags in the series... Co-dependents day, Seinfeld Babies (I dare anyone to not laugh at Seinfeld Babies)... VanNeuter's version of "She Blinded me with Science." That stuff was GOLD. But the stuff with the Pigs (Bay of Pigs Watch, Deep Dish 9) was just fail.

    I don't count any JHH characters as "New" since Jim was still around when they were made... but I'm hard pressed to find a JHH character I don't like. Digit NEEDS to make a comeback somewhere. Video games don't count. Maybe Vicky in a design point of view I don't care for... but everyone else was not only a great character, but a great Muppet design. They REALLY blurred the line between Creature Shop and Muppet Workshop there.
     
  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well it's telling that we've seen Bobo, Sal, Johnny, Van Neuter, etc post MT 96-97 era. Have we seen Andy/Randy, Bill Bubbles, Poodlepants or Spamela in the last decade?

    Yeah Digit was amazing, Lindburgh, Zondra, and Leon I'd add in too(I think Chip and Zondra have been used since then) Digit has that total Christopher Lloyd thing going on which rocks(sooo glad they changed his voice from the Inner Tube pilot) I always wondered why they never used Digit or the others since then.

    It's funny how Pepe became one of the permanent "main 5", bumping Animal..and in the last two years we've seen Bobo the bear and Big Mean Carl get a huge push by Disney and used as starring characters in a number of skits and specials(Muppets Take Over Today, Muppets.com and Youtube content, even Letters to Santa) Big Mean Carl to me is the best looking Muppet character in some time, and I'm hoping they have toys, shirts and plushes planned for him. That guy just lends himself to being a new cult classic character ala Beaker and Swedish Chef.

    You're right, I should have said "Post JH" era. And yeah, some of the stuff on MT parody wise works WONDERS still. I made a dvdr specifically of all my favorite Muppets Tonight and Sesame Street tv, band and movie parodies. LOVED Co-Dependence Day, the Devo spoof, the Talking Heads spoof, Seinfeld Babies, etc.
     
  9. Frozann

    Frozann Member

    Randy and Andy are least favorite. I don’t see any point in them. Stupid pigs... so what?
    Pepe could be annoying, but overally, I like him. Bobo is something, I don’t know how to exactly explain — something out of Muppets for me. He’s more of creature, especially in compare with another bear — Fozzie.
     
  10. GarlicGuy

    GarlicGuy New Member

    I actually like Andy and Randy. Pepe is fine. Johnny and Sal are my favorite.
     
  11. Libba Yuki

    Libba Yuki Member

    My favorite Post-JH era characters are:

    Johnny Fiama
    Bobo the Bear
    Clifford

    Neutral (like, but either not as much or not all the time):

    Pepe

    Sal

    Not too fond of:

    Randy/Andy
     
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It really seems a shame that they never used any of them past that series... even as background characters. They were some of the craziest designed characters for the Muppets ever, blurring the line between Creature Shop and Muppet Shop, making very human looking characters that wouldn't look strange at all next to more cartoonish AM humans. Digit REALLY should have stayed. At least he was in that one video game with the stage you have to unlock. :coy:

    And yes, Carl IS a great character to have in the spotlight. There's something so classic about that style of Muppet Monster. It's actually hard to believe he wasn't one of the original monsters from TMS. You can't even say that about some of the best new characters. And I like how some of the Pirate characters from MTI hung on, and I'd really love to see more of them round out the cast in other projects.

    But the best characters were taken from the newer projects, I think... even though Brian's absence means no Sal and VanNeuter... I still would love to see some project with Honeydew and VanNeuter together, since they're personalities pretty much contrast, as does their style of science... VanNeuter is far more they stereotypical mad scientist, while Bunsen's a Gyro Gearloose type... inventing stuff that makes no sense, and goes haywire (though he also seems a minuscule bit sadistic when something happens to Beaker sometimes).

    You can also say that roughly about Sesame Street's new characters. Not so much they kept the best, but a lot of the characters didn't stick because of their one note jokeness, or the fact that their roles were created mostly due to experimenting with the format. We lost characters like Sherri Netherland (we don't need the hotel anymore) Monty (a fun character, but he really didn't have much of shelf life on the series), and several attempts to bring female roles into the series that didn't stick the way Zoe or Rosita stuck... characters that were more about being girls than characters. When it comes to adding characters to a show, it's a very tricky task. You're essentially filling other roles (which have in the case of both SS and Muppet projects) that have now been sort of refilled with recasts. And adding too many characters to a show means that there's too much focus that has to be split.
     
  13. muppetmonster

    muppetmonster New Member

    Quite frankly, I do not like any of the new characters except Pepe. He is not my most favorite character ever, but he is funny, at least he is to me. I do not like Sal, Johnny Fiama, or Clifford, and Bobo the Bear is not my least favorite character ever, but he is most certainly no Fozzie, that is for sure, but overall, I think Pepe tops any of them any day.

    - Muppetmonster
     
  14. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Clifford isn't really a new character since he was on the Jim Henson Hour waaaaaaaaay back in 1989.

    My least favorite character that is being performed: Pepe. Bill just uses Pepe too much and everything that the Muppets are being marketed for. Movies, specials, stuff on youtube, I get it. Pepe, just like Kermit, is an easy to handle character since he is small. However, I just wish Bill would put Pepe aside, use him as a secondary character, and do something else like performing Rowlf.

    My favorite character: Actually two of them....Johnny and Sal. At first I didn't like them, but when I saw them in the christmas movie back in 2002, I actually liked them and continue to like them. I like the friendship paring between the two. I also like that Johnny seems like some lounge singer from the 50's Vegas era.

    Character I wish was still being used: Zippity Zap. Another character Bill performed in Muppets Tonight who has been in a few movies just to fill in the scenery. I believe he's supposed to be another frog. With the sunglasses he supports, he could have been another ultra cool guy, much like Floyd and Clifford.
     
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Unlike Gonzo, it seems Sal and VanNeuter could find a voice/new performer easily. I mean, my mind can't even make a distinction between Eric Jaccobson and Frank Oz..so Im sure they could find someone to play Sal and Phil VanNeuter.

    Btw, they got rid of the Furry Arms Hotel in Sesame Street? I haven't really followed the show in ages, cept the segments that show up online.
     
  16. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    I like basically anyone used in the modern movies/TV specials:

    -Clifford
    -Pepe
    -Bobo
    -Johnny & Sal (<--- we need to see more of them!)
    -Van Neuter (<--- ALSO need to see more of him!)
     
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It would be great if they do so we can see them again... but the question is, can anyone really channel the insanity of Brian's performance of them?

    Dude... like, they got rid of it about five years after they introduced it. Maybe less. They don't even show those characters or mention them anymore.
     
  18. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    My favorite "Modern" Classic Muppets (1990-present/post-Jim) would have to include:

    -Pepe
    -Bobo the Bear
    -Johnny Fiamma
    -Sal
    -Big Mean Carl
    -Dr. Phil van Neuter
    -Clueless Morgan
    -Polly Lobster
    -Mad Monty
    -Blind Pew
    -Old Joe
    -Ghost of Christmas Present
    -Bubba the Rat
    -Ubergonzo
    -Goggles
    -Croaker
    -Blotch
    -Pilgrim
    -Chef Angelo
     
  19. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    One more addition to my list:

    -Topo Sticky
     
  20. Dominicboo1

    Dominicboo1 Well-Known Member

    Favorite- I like Ghost Of Christmas Present, and Polly Lobster.
    Least Favorite- I don't like Dr. Van Neuter much (maybe it's because when I was a child I was upset about him attempting to remove Gonzo's brain.)
     

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