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Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by dwayne1115, Dec 17, 2012.
I love Kermit, and I love when he gets so frustrated at Fonzie, Piggy, and Grover.
This is a cool discussion. Well I can certainly say it's hard to answer a question in terms of my personal favorite Muppet because I think what really captured my interest in The Muppets was how television style puppetry was developed as well as the the building of the characters and how they are worked. As well as the writing of the comedy and the collaboration of puppetry and rock music which has been probably the most influence to me as an artist. Though in terms of Kermit, there's so many great aspects of Kermit. First his design, it's very simple. He's like a hand with fleece cover it. Very flexable and a light weight character so Jim and later down the road Steve would develop these facial expressions like Kermit's trademark "sheesh" grumpy look when his face gets all scrunched up or his shocked expression when the tip of his head rises up. Though I remember Jim's quote on how he never liked how puppetry was analyzed because puppetry does what it does, so I guess I should just let the artform speak for itself, lol Next Kermit's character, his personality. Sometimes what's very fascinating in terms of evolution is allowing characters to grow over periods of time. Something that is rarely done on television now a days unless a show is a hit. Kermit started out very smark allicy that played the comic through out the years. Even when he was on Late Night... Here's a perfect example...
Though as Kermit developed, be went more for the straightman position in comedy. But though his next trademark well more with Jim's Kermit then Steve's was Kermit's anger management.
(I just discovered this clip, must have been the first Sesame Street News Flash. Though what I love about this clip the most is how Kermit is right in the camera's face pointing his mic shouting. lol I love it )
And as Kermit developed and finalized evelution within Jim's Kermit. Kermit developed this sense of maturity. But what's really interesting about Jim's later Kermit was Kermit just became more realistic within his personality. And that's one of the most beautiful aspects of The Muppets where you completely forget that they are puppets because the performances seen so real, we believe that they are moving and walking and talking when the camera is off and there's no Muppeteers. lol It's amazing art.
Also when Jim and Frank developed Kermit and Miss Piggy as a team, it's just hysterical. Miss Piggy with this everlasting crush on Kermit and in her mind only they are a happy couple who have little Fig (cross between a Frog and a Pig) children running around in their home in Maine. lol While Kermit denies all of this stuff and how the personalities just are at each others throats basicly. Miss Piggy's um..over assertiveness and many layers of aspects of herself that she's covering up to make herself something she's not and Kermit's anger management problems. It just comes out hilarious. lol I remember hearing many times what Miss Piggy's character was in the words of Frank Oz. "She's fat, she's untalented, she can't sing, she doesn't have a sense of humor, she's not pretty, Kermit doesn't really love her, and she's a pig. The world's against her so she covers up all this pain and that's what makes her funny." It's very fascinating. Though it seems to relate more to Frank's Miss Piggy and not so much Eric Jacobson's Miss Piggy in my opinion. Eric does great with Frank's characters but in my opinion it's just not the same. Anyway, here's Kermit and Miss Piggy at their best. lol I hope this comes to an official DVD release someday
Though I like to mention within my conclusion that no matter where Kermit went. If it's with The Muppets or Sesame Street. Kermit's personality stayed the same. That's what I loved about the classic Sesame is how the characters taught as if they were educating adults and not patronizing. Even on Sesame, Kermit had anger management problems. lol
(I miss when Sesame was like this lol)
To conclude everything, well we all know that Jim's no longer with us and Steve took over Kermit in 1990 and continues to this day. Though I think the one golden thing that is the same with Steve's Kermit and Jim's Kermit is the inner spirit. The kind happy moral side of Kermit is very similar which is great. Steve's major role with Kermit after The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson (which was more of a minor role) was of course The Muppet Christmas Carol. And I really wanted to post a clip of Kermit singing "One More Sleep Until Christmas" because it's defenatly one of the most heart-filled moments that I remember of Steve's Kermit. Though I'm sure that Disney took the clip down due to the new re-released remastered verson that's on DVD. So like me, go get the new DVD My favorite Steve Kermit moments was in Muppet Christmas Carol and Muppet Treasure Island. It really highlighted Kermit's moral side of honesty and caring, I'm not sure how to describe it. There's this sense of Kermit's sweet side that was very similar to Jim's. And what's very interesting in watching Kermit currently is that Kermit's voice is becoming slightly deeper which is starting to sound more like Jim's Kermit like ever before. It's very interesting
Fonzie? I didn't know he was a Muppet. "Ayyyyy...."
But yeah, who doesn't love Kermit? He's just so... lovable! And I really give props to Jim and Steve for making Kermit into such a great character.
I saw a Kermit the Frog apparition once. He was all eerie, and had this spooky green glow, a very murky form.
Someone better fix the thread title.
Yes please! I need to have a meeting with my word program, That was the spelling that it gave me. also with the n in Fozzie My letter N has taken a unpaid union break and does whatever it likes. Sorry folks I was really wanting to make this right and used a spell check right before I posted it.
No worries, I'm a bad speller myself. A Talented writer but a bad speller. That's what spell check is for, but yeah some spell checks are lousy so I go to Google to find the right spelling. If it's a thesaurus word or longer word that's not very common in casual english, it would take me awhile or figure out a word that means the same thing. So no worries. lol
As long as we don't type like Fozzie Bear and get our necktypes caught in the typewriter, I'm sure we're safe. lol "Laggies and Gegglefins, Welcome Again Tiny Mopple Shocks. My name is Kermit the Forg? THE FORG?" lol
Anyway back to Kermit,
Here's one of my favorite moments from Sesame. And I just crack up at the close up of Kermit's mouth for some reason. lol
Isn't it funny that Kermit's house is shown only on Sesame Street and Kermit's job is on The Muppet Show. Perhaps The Muppet Show is Kermit's weekend job since it's a show per week and Sesame Street News is his day job. lol Perhaps we'll never know. lol
I waz onse a bad speler, but know eye'm a relly goode one.
Did you know in colonial times that they did not emphasize spelling at school as long as you could sound out the words.....one ad place in a newspaper by a teacher said that he taught "writeing and spilling"....and I will stop being the history teaching nerd that I am and return you to your regularly scheduled thread...though I was wondering if this thread was about ghost Kermits at first....and yeah Kermit is pretty awesome
As someone stated Kermit is the believer, dreamer, he is the hero!
One of my favorite Kermit moments is well of course the ultimate footage that Muppet fans would love to get their hands on including myself. lol Kermit's famous "What the H*** was that about?" line from The Muppet Show Pitch Tape that Disney editted out of the DVD and was shown at MuppetFest. I'm greatful to say, I was there seeing it. lol Twice (I went to the live show as well lol).
Plus I love this Kermit late night appearance as well lol
All I know is is I can't wait to introduce my baby to Kermit!! We already have a Kermit plush on standby.
Oh introducing a little baby as they grow up to Kermit, and the Muppets is so much fun. It's kind of like watching yourself learn, meet and love them from the start.
We'll be playing Rainbow Connection in the car the day the baby comes home.
Thats a great song for a little one, that or Being Green...Kermit just has a very smooth soothing voice. BTW when are you due?
August 4, 2013.
You know what really cracks me up about Kermit and Miss Piggy is around the time when Miss Piggy was becoming hugely popular and the time of The Muppets Take Manhattan. I remember reading a quote, I don't remember where I read it from but how Jim and Frank wanted to really mess around with the Gossip papers and media about Kermit and Miss Piggy's marriage so I think that was the start of Kermit and Miss Piggy telling their side of the story which is always opposite. lol "You might hear different from the Pig but as of my concern, the vote hasn't been made by the Frog" lol I remember Kermit saying this, I don't remember if it was from The Muppet Show or a Late Night Appearance. lol
I really loved Kermit and Piggy's relationship in The Muppets take Manhattan. I love how supportive Piggy can be of Kermit and the other Muppets. I also love the fact that Kermit and Piggy seem more together now then they have in quite sometime.
It was TMS which was obviously way before MTM was made. As for Kermit & Piggy I am digging the new take on their relationship! It's so nice seeing Kermit also show more affection to Piggy. I mean for crying out loud he actually gave Piggy mistletoe in Cee Lo's MV!!! And smiled when they kissed!!! Something that in the past Kermit would never do! Once I again I say "thank you latest film for that" and "thank you Steve Whitmire for making me one happy fan!"
Personally I'm different. I don't like how Kermit and Miss Piggy are now a couple so it seems, to me it's totally out of character. Sure Kermit sort of dated Miss Piggy from time to time but I liked it when things were mysterious. Piggy says one thing and Kermit says it's all not true, etc. lol It kind of ruins the old fun with that in my opinion.
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