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Your Thoughts: Emmet Otter DVD

Discussion in 'Family Worlds' started by Phillip, Oct 3, 2005.

  1. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

  2. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    So, Disney refused to allow Kermits scenes to be included after all? Thats terrible! :mad: I wonder why Disney wouldn't allow kermit in the DVD release. Disney allows for Kermits old scenes to be on Sesame Street. I don't think that Hit! is a major competitor against Disney. It's not like it is Warner Brothers, Nickleodeon or Anime needing to use kermit.

    I am surprised that Disney allowed Hit! to keep Rowlfs scenes from Dog City on the U.K. DVD release (why can't it be availible in the U.S?) and I am even more surprised that the Jim hensons Muppets credit in the Fraggle Rock opening was used in the Fraggle Rock first season set and Doing The Things That Doozers Do DVD release. I wonder if Disney will allow Hit! to release the episode of The Animal Show that had Sam The Eagle in it (it would be hard to edit the episode and have it make sense).

    I guess we should be thankful that Sesame Workshop allowed Disney to keep the Sesame Street characters in The Muppet Show Season 1 (could they have made a deal stating that Disney can use scenes with Sesame Street characters if Sesame Workshop contineus to include Kermits appearances?). I hope that Henson and Sesame Workshop don't refuse to let Disney use scens from The Muppets: A Celebration of Thirty Years, A Muppet Family Christmas or The Muppets Celebrate Jim Henson if Disney ever decides to release those on DVD.
  3. EasyBeinGreen

    EasyBeinGreen New Member

    I have yet to buy the DVD but I'm excited for a couple of reasons.

    -The DVD retails for around 10 dollars... this is one of the cheaper Henson releases I will have purchased in a while. The thing I like about HIT is that they are fairly good with pricing, I hope we see more Henson releases of this caliber in the future with these price tags.

    -The new documentary. I'm really excited to see this. This special was revolutionary as far as puppetry went for the Henson company, to get to see footage of how they made this Christmas classic is a privilage I never thought I would get.

    I am a bit disappointed about the editing of the Kermit scenes but I suppose if we really wanted we could always take the columbia tristar(?) release and edit it with the new HIT release to have an uncut version.

    Question of wonder? Have we seen final cover art or disc art for this DVD yet? I know that as of earlier today Amazon still did not have a photo for cover art.
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Kermits final sceen was cut from the Columbia/ tri-Star release, so editing the two DVD releases together wouldn't get you an uncut copy.
  5. EasyBeinGreen

    EasyBeinGreen New Member

    well I'll be... I guess it has been a while since I've watched it. I had forgotten that the final scene was cut. My mistake..
    :o
  6. janicegroupie

    janicegroupie New Member

    I don't know about anyone else but I can't find this dvd anywhere! I have spent the last 2 hours checking every store in the city and it's nowhere. I was so looking forward to watching it tonight too. Guess I'll have to get it online and wait to see it.
  7. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    No one check Wal Mart, they sayed "we wont release christmas movies now, its to early" :boo: I was like what the heck!!??!!. I'm gonna make some calls to Target and FYE and Best Buy. If they got it I may run to the city to get it! :halo:
  8. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Active Member

    Just order it online, that will save you the time from running from store to store.

    My copy is under way, and I'am looking forward to it :)
  9. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Note to ALL @ MC, just got off the phonw with Best Buy...they DON'T have it!!!:eek: :crazy: :boo: I cant find the # for my FYE or Target. Like what you said I may just wind up ordering mine online!
  10. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Active Member

    I checked at Target and Best Buy. Neither had it. My guess is they are saving it for the holidays. :sympathy: :mad: :(
  11. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

  12. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    hey gang,

    man NOT much talk on the new "Emmet" dvd. :confused: hows it look with out Kermit <=== (c) Disney/MHC (hehe sorry had to joke and say it!:D ) but any ways does it still say "With Jim Henson's Muppets" or has that changed. Yeah i know, I still have my Buena Vista 1996 vhs, but i wana see ALL the NEW stuff & whats changed. :smirk: any one? any one!?
  13. muppet_dk

    muppet_dk Active Member

    I got my copy today..So far I've only seen the extra stuff, and considering the price on the dvd I must say it's worth the money.
  14. Telly

    Telly Active Member

    Straight up answer...for somebody who's never seen this movie and wouldn't know anything about the story or cut scenes/songs, is it worth the buy? I'm a Muppet fan so I can't see myself NOT liking it, ya know?
  15. Barry Lee

    Barry Lee Active Member

    It's a very wonderful special... you can read it right here:
    My Week With Muppet Christmas

    It is a very beutifal special in it's own right. The songs were derifically written by Paul Williams and just has a great sweetness all in general. It is a classic all in it's own and I don't think you would hate it once so ever. But I would try to get a copy of the original or slightly cut version too see it in it's entirety. :)
  16. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    My Review: One of Great DVD for one Great Special!

    I’ll start out by saying that this has turned out to be one of the best Henson DVDs (in the top 10 as of now; at least in terms of bonus features and total disc presentation).

    When HIT got the rights to the Henson Family Showcase, in April 2004, one the properties on the top of their “list of things to release” was Emmet Otter’s Jug-band Christmas (right along with Fraggle Rock). They were able to get their first Henson product out by the fall of 2004 (with the start of Fraggle Rock on DVD. They weren’t able to get Emmet Otter out on DVD as quickly as they first hoped (they wanted a Christmas 2004 release), but with about 6 months (or less) to prepare a product, get it made, and get it on store shelves in time for the holiday season, they decided to put it off until Christmas 2005. And let me say, it is a good thing they did.

    When the project was first conceived, it was going to be a “quick and dirty” DVD release. Slap the special on a disc, make some simple menus, put some trailers on there, and “bam!” you got yourself a DVD release (very similar to the Columbia Tri-Star one from a few years back, just with HIT being this ones on the label). In fact, fearing that Kermit would be “too much work” to get, they figured not to even go after the rights, and were just going to cut him from the show (making this DVD slightly worse than the Columbia release; except cheaper). They figured if they made the disc cheap enough, that anyone with interest in Henson, Christmas, Otters, or DVD would pick it up. Any parent, collector, and even Henson fan would be hard pressed to pass up a $6 classic “family-friendly” Christmas special on DVD (unless they already had the Columbia release). If it was cheap enough, anyone who was curious about it or slightly remembered enjoying it would not be afraid to buy it.

    However, lucky for us, Craig Shemin got involved. When word got out that HIT was planning a DVD release, he showed up at their door with a bunch of ideas, and a bunch of exclusive material. He was able to convince HIT to kick it up a notch and turn this from a $5.99 bare-bones DVD, to a $9.99 collector’s edition. Without Craig (and the other folks at Henson who got involved) this DVD would not be as great.

    The all new behind-the-scenes documentary (created by Craig) is simply superb. With a run-time of an hour, this new special is worth the price of the disc alone. It is excellent - behind the scenes footage and pictures, interviews, inside looks, and more – could you ask for anything more? I could try to nitpick it (like, the key-titles stating who the interviewee is are pretty bland, and Cheryl Henson’s interview has some slight background noise, and it is a shame “so-and-so” or “whats-his-name” was not interviewed), but even when I try to find something substantial to complain about, I can’t. The documentary is great. For the price of the DVD, I would buy it just for this feature, it is great.

    The other bonus features are just as great too (although they slightly overlap things shown in the documentary or found the special itself, they are still great to have). The deleted song is wonderful and a nice inclusion; too bad it never made it into the actual show. The blooper reel is also great (Frank Oz’s “Shut up, Emmet” at the end is just priceless). Although there are more bloopers out there (some not so “family friendly”), the amount given are great. I love Muppet bloopers, and this reel is great.

    The “Favorite Tunes” feature could be seen as simple filler, but it’s nice to be able to just play the songs and listen to the great music (like having a soundtrack). It is a simple feature, but I wish more DVDs would include it (as it doesn’t take much to do). The Sing-Along is nice too, I wish more (if not all of the) songs were presented this way, but again I’m really reaching for something to nitpick. The photo gallery is also excellent - 106 pictures! There is some great stuff in the gallery, and worth the time to check out. Overall the bonus features go way beyond my expectations. For a little 1970’s TV special that most people don’t really know that well and is overlooked by the general public (this isn’t Rudolph, Frosty, or Charlie Brown). I am impressed that there are any substantial features, let alone ones like these.

    The deleted/alternate scenes are a little puzzling. Why didn’t they just re-incorporate them back into their proper place in the special? I asked, and the main reason was the quality. If you notice, the video/audio quality of these clips are not as nice as the ones in the feature. Over the years the master of the special was restored, and kept in good quality – however this master was of the edited version (that’s why the other releases have used it). They could have spent money cleaning them up, or we could even live with some shots that weren’t as clear as the rest of the special. But no matter what they did, it would take some work and some money (Henson claims that this is the final and definitive cut of the film; they like everything the way it is presented here – and some of the other alternate scenes are not how they want the special presented…anymore). And at least they included them somewhere on the disc and it’s nice they are here (even if just for historic reasons).

    The Kermit scenes that were cut – yes, we all know they were cut, now suck it up and get over it. If you never knew Kermit was in the special, you would never know he was missing now. But most of us know he was and we want him in it. When the disc was bumped up to collector’s status with, HIT decided to go after Kermit and make this the best DVD possible. But Disney wouldn’t have it. Disney is very protective of their characters and trademarks, and would not give Kermit (at any price, or any circumstance) to HIT Entertainment (a competitor) to include in their commercial product. It’s sad that these scenes will probably never be seen on a commercial release (unless someday Disney buys this special; or the Muppets get sold to someone else). It is a shame that he was cut, it is a shame he’s no longer part of Emmet’s world. But I’ve come to except it, and although his scenes were memorable, they weren’t really pivotal to the story and the special still holds up without him. The special features make up for the small change in Henson history here.

    Oh, I forgot to mention the menus. The interactive menus are beautiful. Every single menu is great. They could have used still pictures, and no music but they went the extra mile and impressed me at least with these awesome animated menus that are stunning. These are some of the nicest Muppet DVD menus (with the expectation of Disney’s MCC, MTI, and TMS:S1 specially recorded live-video menus).

    The packaging is just a bit flashy, a little too simple, and a tad “kiddie” looking for my taste; but it is still nice (at least there is not a flat-head Kermit on it). It’s growing on me.

    Overall this DVD is great. Kermit is not here; and that’s a little sad. But Craig Shemin is here; and that’s more than excellent. So, go buy this DVD. Go enjoy it. Quick, Go! Christmas is only 70 days away!
  17. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Do you know why the special was cut before it was remastered? Was it edited this way when shown on The Oddessey Channel and remastered (although the Columbia release was available before The Oddessey Channel was owned by henson)? Why would they have edited the final Kermit scene on the original remastered version, anyway?

    Is Hit! really a major competitor against Disney, or does Disney just not want to support any kind of competitor, no matter how small? I hardly knew about Hit! before they got access to release various Henson material on DVD. Sure, Hit! owns barney, but how many average people would know (or care) that Hit! owns barney? Would anybody even know who owns barney? Does Hit! even own any childrens programs that have adult/ geek fans? It's not like Hit! is Warner Bros., Paramount, or 20th century Fox. It's a good thing that Disney isn't against Sesame Workshop using Kermit on Sesame Street.
  18. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    As they say on the DVD, it was due to time restraints on the networks that aired it in the '80s and '90s. As commercial time increased program time decreased and things were edited along the way, at some point the older master was abandoned.

    They may not be one of the top 5, but they are in the same market as Disney (HIT is pretty big in the children's market), and Disney does not want to support any competitor, and does not just give their characters out. It's a little sad, but they want to keep Mickey, Winnie, and now Kermit in their house.

    Part of that is due to the deal when Disney got the Muppets, the other part is that Sesame Workshop is a non-profit company and is not they same type of company that HIT (or Disney) is.
  19. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    I have not seen this in years and would love to see it again.
  20. Evil Muppetman

    Evil Muppetman New Member

    I Still Have To Watch It


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