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Your Thoughts: Lady Gaga and The Muppets Holiday Spectacular on ABC

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, Nov 25, 2013.

  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think what the main problem is that, like other people are saying To much Gaga, and not enough Muppets. The Muppets are known for there great holiday specials and things. Like I, and other have said if this where a Muppet special it would have been better.
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Isn't that like walking out into the rain, and then saying, "I think it's wet out today."
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  3. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Saw the special for the first time this afternoon. What can I say, it was a Lady Gaga special featuring the Muppets for the sake of throwing something in. Did a frog, a couple of bears, a dog, a whatever, several chickens, a pig, and crazy musicians not remembering a darn thing about their favorite holiday memory add to anything? Not really. As what others said and I echo them, it was about Lady Gaga promoting her new album and throwing the Muppets into the mix.

    Things I liked-
    -It was nice to see Rizzo speak again. He and Gonzo are best buds. I didn't really care of the whole Gonzo/Rizzo thing back in the 90's, but the 90's seem like a lifetime ago.

    -Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem- I was smiling at what they were saying.
    -Zoot-I've been using the same reed since 62', and then Lips nodding in agreement. And....-Time to clean my spit valve....Nice one Zoot, nice.
    Janice-That wasn't a holiday. (She's done some interesting things in her lifetime)
    -Lips. For the love of god Steve, let him say things. I want Lips to be a chatter box. Nice to see him again though, even though he wasn't in the opening number. Why was that?

    -The Muppet Auditions-Sam Eagle-I'm don't need to audition, I'm an American....
    -Pepe calling Scooter "Scooper"

    -Bunsen Honeydew dressing Beaker in bubble wrap to add something new to the finale, then Beaker falling down following Bunsen and then Animal popping the bubbles. That was funny.

    However the rest was meh. It seemed like someone decided to add Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Kristen Bell for the sake of adding whoever. Surprised she did try to promote her Veronica Mars movie in the special in some way.

    Did this feel like a holiday special? No. The Muppet Family Christmas back in the late 80's was a holiday special, and a good one at that.

    I'm curious what the Muppet performers thought as they were filming the special with Lady Gaga. Steve: "Hey, we're in a special with Lady Gaga. Isn't that strange?" Dave: "Not as strange as the episode with Alice Cooper acting on the behalf of the devil trying to get Kermit's soul."

    All in all, it was okay. I'd give it two out of four stars.

    However, I do dig the song "Venus". I downloaded it this afternoon from Amazon.
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  4. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Bring back the Show...

    The plain truth is that fans just want the Muppet Show back. If we can't get that, then we'd prefer a Muppet special featuring their chosen guests. No matter how good this special could have turned out, it was never really going to be that. I can respect that. There were some great segments on the program that I enjoyed very much.

    I'd love it if Disney gave the Muppets some sort of summer special. Not a TV movie or a bunch of duets, but a legitimate 30-90 minute program of their own featuring all sorts of stars. It's also a good opportunity to shop around some of the upcoming ABC stars for the fall season. Maybe a July 4th spectacular (that's actually Muppety and spectacular)? They could test that as a legitimate backdoor pilot without having to bump anything around the schedule. With all the criticism networks receive about unsavory content, this is the perfect opportunity to create a family friendly flagship program that's still irreverent enough for mature audiences. In a word...bring the Muppet Show back...at least for specials.
  5. Fiona1024

    Fiona1024 Member

    I'm nuts to see this Could I watch it online?
  6. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    The whole thing is on Youtube.
  7. Fiona1024

    Fiona1024 Member

    Thank you so much ^-^ and thanks for following me.
  8. FrackleFan2012

    FrackleFan2012 Well-Known Member

    Your welcome.
  9. FletchySRF3088

    FletchySRF3088 Well-Known Member

    I hear ya, I've always seen the Muppets as one big family of characters but it also felt to me that the Muppet family consisted of the "main group" of characters and the "secondary" characters. I remember the Episode Guide for TMS Season 2 on this site saying:

    I think that after Jim and Richard's deaths in the 90s, that main cast changed to Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, Gonzo and Rizzo. Then later joined by Pepe, and usually Animal. I see Muppets from Space, more than any other movie or project from that era, as a good example of that.

    I guess everyone would also have different opinions as to who belonged in which group during which era, too. I think one could argue that Clifford was also part of that "main cast" for most of the 90s.

    Anyway, apologies if I'm rattling on about this too much. As a fan, I just find this kind of stuff interesting. :fanatic:
  10. cjd874

    cjd874 Well-Known Member

    Pros: Rizzo had a much greater presence in this special, and it's good to see that he & Gonzo still have good chemistry, as do their respective performers. It was good to see more obscure Muppets like Lips, Bobo the Bear, Big Mean Carl, and Mo Frackle as well. And the Statler and Waldorf jokes were good, even though most of them were recycled or reworked from previous Muppet projects, including the Muppet Show.

    Cons: Miss Piggy came off as one-dimensional YET AGAIN. Once again, she acted very self-centered and pushy, and had a one-track mind on her frog. She wouldn't let Kermit even explain his "conversation" with Gaga before karate chopping him (is this what some of you mean by a "Flanderized" Piggy?). Also, there should have been more lines for Fozzie Bear and Gonzo. The Swedish Chef/Animal/Beaker bits didn't live up to my expectations, either. There was absolutely no need for Kristen Bell or RuPaul. They added NOTHING to the special whatsoever (Kristen tried too hard, in my opinion). And as much as I love Sir Elton John, he didn't add much either. He and Gaga should have sung a Christmas song, not "Bennie and the Jets." The music was pretty terrible throughout the special. And the male dancers…UGH! NO! STOP! BOOOOOO!!!

    Overall Rating: 3/5 stars, at most…or maybe…oh, what the heck.
    2.5/5, would not watch again
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  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Why does everybody keep saying Bobo is obscure? He's been a part of the Classic Muppets since the 90s.

    And I still don't see how Piggy came off as one-dimensional, she's always been a little pushy, a little jealousy over Kermie, and wanting the spotlight all to herself... none of that is anythingnew under the sun.
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  12. LipsGF4Life

    LipsGF4Life Well-Known Member

    I loved it! I love the interviews with the Electric Mayhem!
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  13. DannyRWW

    DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    So can anyone make a muppet only fan edit? Just saying. Curious how long it would be.
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, before anybody does that, they would have to figure how long the entire special was without commercials to avoid any discrepencies.
  15. cjd874

    cjd874 Well-Known Member

    Because Bobo hasn't had huge roles in Muppet projects other than Muppets Tonight, Muppets from Space, and The Muppets 2011. To me, he's not as obscure as Droop, Nigel, Brewster, or Angus McGonagle, but he's certainly not as famous as Rowlf, Scooter, Sam the Eagle, Dr. Teeth, or even Sweetums and Crazy Harry.
    As for Piggy, it just seems that she is even more pushy and jealous than ever. Yes, even more than in the classic episodes like Linda Ronstadt & Florence Henderson, and the classic movies as well (MTM, anyone?). It seems like if ANYONE touches her frog or even dares to make polite conversation with him, she sees it as akin to "hitting" on Kermit or trying to take him away; and then she goes postal on Kermit, the unlucky guest, or both. Honestly, I'm just not a fan of that.
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  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure he was also in both IAVMMCM and MWoO.
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  17. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    What? That makes no sense.
    • Bobo had a featured role as a main player in most of Muppets Tonight's 22 episodes.
    • A prominent part in prime time television special, Letters to Santa
    • A featured role prime time television special, A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie
    • A starring role in major motion picture, Muppets From Space
    • And appearances in most every other venture the Muppets have had since his introduction.
    Not only has he been featured many more times than Angus, Nigel, Droop and Brewster combined; since his introduction, Bobo has had more spoken lines than Sam the Eagle or the Electric Mayhem. More than Rowlf and Scooter until very, very recently.
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  18. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    I love Bobo
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  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    He wasn't in Muppets' Wizard of Oz. Maybe it's just me but it seems like he was gone during that period, and then came back in 2008 (while Johnny and Sal started to be dropped). Then again there weren't many Muppet projects between 2006-2008.
  20. cjd874

    cjd874 Well-Known Member

    JV, I know that he had major roles in MT, MFS, and TM 2011. That's exactly what I said in my post. I'm not saying that nobody has ever heard of Bobo. My point is that if we classified Muppets as A-listers (Kermit, Piggy) through D-listers (Angus, Brewster), Bobo would be somewhere in between: again, not as famous as Sam, Scooter and Rowlf, but certainly not like Droop or Angus. I guess I'm too familiar with the Jim Henson-era Muppets, because I never considered Bobo a major character. Anyhow, I enjoyed Bobo's appearance in the Gaga special and I hope that they continue to use him in future Muppet projects.

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