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Your Thoughts: "Muppets Most Wanted" Theatrical Film

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Mar 20, 2014.

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How would you rate Muppets Most Wanted?

  1. 5 Stars - Perfect

    84 vote(s)
    46.9%
  2. 4 Stars - Great

    67 vote(s)
    37.4%
  3. 3 Stars - Good

    18 vote(s)
    10.1%
  4. 2 Stars - Fair

    7 vote(s)
    3.9%
  5. 1 Star - Poor

    3 vote(s)
    1.7%

  1. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    Um, I didn't see it when I saw the movie from beginning to end and saw the credits. Someday, I will see the movie again at a dollar movie theater and maybe I will spot these things on at the credits. Pinky promise!
     
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  2. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    I had a lot to rethink about, and while I need a rewatch, I think it wasn't nearly as disappointing as I made it out to be.

    That being said, one scene comes to mind that put a real rotten taste in my mouth. It's the scene where Walter is spying on Dominic, who pays off the journalist and then tells him to give the tickets out to free, to which he follows up, "You may have to pay some people." Now, I get that the Muppets are self-depreciating sometimes, but this was a downright strangely mean move by the writers. Not only that, but it makes absolutely no sense considering this is a follow-up to the last film in which it ends with the Muppet theater becoming packed, them raising the money and coming outside to cheering fans. Now they can't even sell one ticket, let alone having to bribe people to come see them perform, despite even fake five-star reviews?! What the frak?! I can't even blame it on the plot of the show being terrible due to the lack of Kermit's direction, this was rigged from the very start. I expected them to somehow show that Kermit comes back, makes the show better again and the world tour is honestly successful but they never did. The entire Dominic/Constantine plot, while I really loved Constantine as a villain himself, just kinda felt weak and didn't make sense... and I think I've honestly honed on that as being my main problem with the movie.

    I'm looking forward to a rewatch when in a better mood and I'll probably like the jokes better the second time around.
     
  3. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    I couldn't agree more! That is definetely the last I hear of Jerry Nelson. When I heard that bit, I was shocked, and then pleased that it is no other voice than just his.
     
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  4. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    One thing that kind of sucked was a plot point that might have made the movie a little better, but was probably cut for time. In the book it says Kermit asks Nayda who Constantine is. She explains that he was adopted by a bomb factory owner and that he escaped and blew up the whole factory, she also says that he blows up his crime scenes. It would have made sense for the GULAG explosion at the beginning or when he called Dominic on the phone in the middle of nowhere because it could be eveidence. Also later at the wedding when Constantine says, "oh and one more thing, Good night folks. YAY!" And then sets off the bomb, im pretty sure the line that Kermit yells is "Its a bomb, Constantine always blows up his crime scenes.

    If it did get cut, then we might have another case of the Tex Richman song...... I guess its not really crucial because you get the story line but it just would make more sense.
     
  5. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member


    I personally think that having to much back story on a villain, can kind of take away from the mystery of the story. I think if we knew why Constantine was the way he was, and his past then our views of him as the bad guy would have changed. I think the less we knew about him and Dominic the better.
     
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  6. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    So Nadya catches Kermit escaping because she knows what escape plans prisoners use. She knows the first, second, and third attempts they make. I wonder if she would have caught Kermit if he went back to his first or second attempt ("going back to the second attempt is always the fourth thing they try).

    And is it just me or does it seem like, after the escape plans, Nadya knows that it's really Kermit? Maybe she was just calling him Kermit at that point to play along with Kermit insisting he was him, but if she knew he wasn't constantine, shouldn't she have let him free?

    And Dominic tells Constantine that if he goes through with the wedding, he'll have to split the goods with Miss Piggy, only for him to intend on killing her after the robbery. But did he really need to go through with marrying her? They just needed to have the wedding. He could have ran off and left her behind, since getting the diamond was the important plot. And it seems he does realize that after Kermit shows up.
     
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  7. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Nadya realized early on it was Kermit the frog. However, since she is obsessed with Kermit and even has a small shrine devoted to him, she wasn't going to let him go no matter what.

    As for Kermit finally escaping during the show he put on in the gulag, Nadya let her guard down for that number unlike the great escapo person who she tasered. Of course that person was trying to escape right next to her....Not a good idea.

    Also another nitpick is how Fozzie, Animal, and Walter easily get into the prison but they and Kermit have to figure out a way to get out???? Why not just go out the same way you got in since you got in unnoticed?
     
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  8. misspiggy5260

    misspiggy5260 Well-Known Member

    I made everyone laugh in the theater when Nadia opened her little Kermit Shrine. I said "Oooohhh girl. You better not let Miss Piggy see that!'
     
  9. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member


    He works fine without all that backstory.
     
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  10. Twisted Tails

    Twisted Tails Well-Known Member

    Um, when I saw his sequel yesterday, there was not a lot of people. I wiash there was more. Despite the small attendence of the first showing me and the others did laugh at the right parts thank goodness.
    The really good news: no misbehaved children to interpret the movie when I was right after 5:00p.m.
     
  11. I'm still smiling. Laughed, cried, enjoyed. It's a great ride. There are definitely some lulls in the middle, but I think it really builds to a great climax and the last third is just pure joy.
    Some great moments. Loved the action-y stuff, the A Chorus Line parody, Celine, the helicopter finale, Together Again, Constantine trying to be Kermit, Rizzo & Robin's gag, Walter following Ricky in disguise. the self-referential stuff, etc. Floods of tears when Kermit and Piggy kissed and all the "we love you, Kermit" stuff. "We're doing a sequel" and "Give you what you want" were my favourite new songs. Overall I was a bit underwhelmed by Ricky Gervais' performance and actually pleasantly surprised by Ty Burrell, which I thought would be the other way around. And sometimes I wished we would be watching the Muppet Show skits rather than Constantine & Dominic stealing something while the skits were going on. But I had a great time and was almost tempted to see it again straight away.
    I can see why the reviewers and the general public might prefer the last one, but I think I liked this one more.
     
  12. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    Let's look at it this way, MMW is getting way better reviews than it's biggest competitor, Divergent. On Rotten tomatoes, MMW is 77% fresh, but Divergent is only 40% fresh. Yikes! Unfortunately, we opened to a $4.66 million opening night, but it looks like the movie could still have an $18 million opening weekend!!!
     
  13. KingR76

    KingR76 Active Member

    I saw it today courtesy of Den Of Geek at a screening in London.

    Need to get all my thoughts together on this but in my opinion this was far better than "The Muppets" and I also feel the question should be asked... Whens the next one going to be?

    It was THAT strong to warrant a third one :)
     
  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    Wow, where to begin I have been thinking since yesterday what I wanna say about the film. First of I just wanna say no matter how well or how well this movie doesn't do I am so happy that I was able to see my second Muppet movie on the big screen. I didn't get to see the classic three movies as I was either not born yet or too young.

    Anyways...like most people have said I personally loved this film. Yes there were flaws but I have yet to see a "PERFECT" movie. This movie was just a Muppet movie. Kermit was able to get out of his depressed state from the last film and just be Kermit. My praise to all the Muppeteers they did a fantastic job and deserve a standing ovation for all their hard work. And I do think this movie was better then the last because I didn't feel like the celebrities got in the way like they did in TM.

    The positives I love how Steve really stretches Kermit in this and pushes the envelope with him but never goes overboard. Eric Jacobson really just shined with Piggy it was great to see her go on this emotional journey. Matt Vogel brilliant as Constantine! I wasn't sure how I was gonna like him but he ended being a really scary, fun, and likeable villain. I feel him and Ricky played off great of each other. As did Sam and Ty. I have to say out of all the scenes in this film the helicopter scene was the best IMO. And no I just don't say this because I'm a K&P fan. I really loved seeing Kermit really fight for Piggy and not wanting her to go through with the marriage. I wish we got to hear Kermit say "I love you" as he said it in the previews and in the novel. I do like they didn't get married which I knew they haven't acted any different promoting the film.

    As far as the music don't get me wrong I did love it. Something So Right like most people have said if it doesn't get nominated something is wrong!! Such a beautiful song! We're doing a sequel great, great, song it reminded of "Life's a Happy Song." Together Again loved hearing that I just wanted to get up and sing along with them however the "Again, Again" part I didn't care for. With that being said besides the songs I mentioned I felt the music from the last film was better. Which I guess brings me to the negatives of the film.

    I didn't like how the plot seemed rushed in some points it almost felt like "okay lets hurry and get this film over with." Maybe it was just me I don't know. More then likely I'll have to see the film again to see if my opinion on that changes. I wish there were most scenes with Kermit. I know most people liked seeing Kermit and Piggy's bouncing baby figs however I didn't like it, I actually thought they were creepy looking. (I know probably surprising coming from me) I agree Kermit adopt instead! But other then that I enjoyed this film very much and hopefully I can see it again before it leaves the theaters. I mean I'm already guessing when it's gonna come out on DVD/Blu-ray! :D I hope there's a lot of deleted scenes! As I noticed there was so much cut. All in all I give it a 4/5!

    And the last thing I wanna say is tell your friends, have their friends tell their friends and see it! :)
     
  15. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Very enjoyable movie. I wouldn't go so far as to call it the best Muppet movie, but it's certainly high on my list. Plenty of fun cameos by both Muppets and non-Muppets.

    The puppetry is phenomenal, especially in the "I'm Number One, You're Number Two" song.

    Matt really shines as Constantine. I love the names he gives to the Muppets ("Zongo", "Miss Pig", "Fonzie", "Small Boy With Glasses"). Nice to see Sam get more attention than usual in a Muppet movie.

    Nice to hear Jerry's announcer line from the last movie reused.

    In the opening song, why does Gonzo say that he's purple? And why does it look as though Rowlf has a scar on his face throughout the movie?

    The writing is great, the songs are great, the Muppets are great (yeah, we already new that).

    My only gripes:

    1. A few of the celebrity appearances seemed rather pointless *coughRossLynchcough*

    2. The pacing seemed a bit off early on. A little too hurried.

    Don't think there's much I can add that hasn't already been said.


    You know, the music did seem a bit loud. There were several instances where I couldn't make out the lyrics in the songs.
     
  16. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    My answer to this is that Dominic and Constantine have no faith in the Muppets. They've just come back together, they failed to meet their telethon goal, they only got their happy ending last time by hiring a ton of extras and giving the Bad Guy head trauma. And now they've lost the one character who could pull them together and exert some sort of restraint over that cast of nutcases and egomaniacs. (Scooter was aware that that would harm the show, but he's a right-hand man, not a leader.) It's in their best interests for Constantine to keep them happy by okaying any dang fool thing they want to do, no matter how bad it is for the show. And since Muppets tend to do loud, noisy things even when Kermit reins them in, of course they'd let them go hog wild and provide enough noise to cover the sound of the break-ins.

    TL;DR version: It wasn't the writers being mean, it was Dominic and Constantine being mean and manipulative. And successful.
     
  17. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member


    In a broad sense this is true, but the specific line refers more to Dominic having done this a few nights prior, as in the Muppets are so unwanted that people have been actually turning down the tickets. Not only that, but the audience has to actually be manipulated prior. Yes, the show is intentionally bad, yet no one from the beginning actually wants to see the Muppets. At least that's what I took away from it. I was just bummed that they never really showed that anyone wanted to see them... it was just weird to me.
     
  18. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    As a longtime box office tracker, I don't see MMW enroute of a domestic total over $60 million, here's my domestic forecast of the film (until it gets less than $1 million in the weekend).
    Day 1: $4.6 million
    Day 2: $7.4 million (.4 is to make it even)
    Day 3: $5 million

    Opening Weekend: $17 million Total: $17 million
    Mon.-- Fri.: $3 million Total: $20 million
    Weekend 2: $10 million Total: $30 million
    Mon.-- Fri.: $1 million Total: $31 million
    Weekend 3: $7 million Total: $38 million
    Mon. -- Fri. : $800,000 Total: $38,800,000
    Weekend 4: $3.2 million (Rio 2 opens) Total: $42 million
    Mon.-- Fri.: $400,000 Total: $42,400,000
    Weekend 5: $2.6 million Total: $45 million
    Mon. -- Fri.: $100,000 Total: $45,100,000
    Weekend 6: $1 million Total: $46,100,000

    Final Total (Forecast): $50 million
    That doesn't look so pretty, but that's a rough estimate of what MMW will make domestically, but it's still too early in the game, but my forecast shows it as a film that'll only barely match its budget, hopefully the film'll get at least $100 million foreignly, but I still can't image MMW matching TM'11's total or even TMM.
     
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  19. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    Yeah it's probably going to make less than 50 mil here in the states.

    I pray it does awesome foreign business. but I'm kind of unsure on how Disney would react to that one. A third movie would be possible, for sure, in that case, but not definite.
     
  20. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I'd rather a TV series than a third movie.
     
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