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Your Thoughts: Sesame Street Season 40

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Phillip, Nov 8, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The computer segment is a bad remake of some skit that either came from the 70's or 80's where they had to find the word "hot." Only, it's longer and more pointless.

    The Mural thing wouldn't be so bad, but they play it sooooo many times. Plus, as I said, it shows that SS doesn't have all that many good or decent double digit segments (especially 13-19). Sure, making a new one may sound out of the question with the budget... but there are at least 3 "different" mural segments, and they manage to show them all in one season. It's beyond repetitive.
  2. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Active Member

    These last couple of episodes i've watched i really have enjoyed. And i mean just the storylines is all. I see all the inserts and stuff and some of those are pretty neat. I really enjoyed getting to see in the lastest episode with Jerry's characters all being in the scene.

    I would have loved to have seen Herry with all the people all inside the store and all. Like him having at least one line like Sherlock did. But cool to see him as well.

    Keep up Sesame Workshop with all the awsome little surprises.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Great to see a main story line focus around the Count, even if it was an Elmo-centric plot. Nice to see Baby Bear, Green Old MacDonald, and the Three Pigs... but REALLY great to see Snuffy and Big Bird with the Birdkateers.

    And that's about it, since everything else was reran. I love the Murray Lamb segments, but did they REALLY need to show it twice this season, especially since there hasn't been an Ernie and Bert Adventures segment for 3 episodes now?
  4. Fairy

    Fairy New Member

    Hello! I am relatively new here. Had an ID for years, but not a frequent visitor. Like what I see when I do, though. I've been dying for some kind of discussion on various topics here in Season 40, such as Zoe's refresh. Forgive me if these have already been discussed, and feel free to direct me to specific threads!

    1. Zoe's Refresh
    I am not a fan of this refresh. I am not a fan of Zoe in general, but I sort of just accept her and move on. But this latest refresh is really bad, IMO. Her hair is way over the top (no pun consciously intended), and her eyes now seem alot smaller. I just don't have enough words to say how much I don't like this.

    2. Leslie's Muppets All Look and Sound the Same
    It seems to me that I hear Abby no matter who Leslie is doing. Such as the flower a few shows back. Anyone agree?

    3. We've Lost Something Important with the Video Versions
    I really dislike Bert & Ernie's Great Adventures, as well as Abby's Flying Fairy School. I've read much discussion on these; those threads I did find, tho I did not participate. I just wanted to add my name to the list of people who think these cheaper, lazy renditions do a real disservice to today's kids, rather than using hte actual muppets.

    4. I've Been Enjoying the Hidden Gems
    I had to cheat and look some of them up on the Muppet Wiki, but I caught most of them, including Sherlock Hemlock! Good stuff.

    5. Can Someone Explain the Approach with Legacy Adult Characters?
    I do love Chris, and Leela is ok, too. I understand the need to have new people move onto the street. However, just curious what the approach is with showing people like Bob and Susan just the one time each year for at least the last three years, maybe? Is this a contracted thing that they are here for life for one show a season from here on out? Curious about this.

    6. Ricky Gervais
    I read that some parents aren't thrilled with that sketch. I think they're insane, it's the best one of the entire season, possibly the best of the entire decade. Is this a vocal minority, or are there really alot of folks out there who thought Ricky's sketch was a problem?

    Thanks in advance, I look forward to hearing replies!

    -- Fairy :(
  5. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    You and everyone else hates that puppet. Thankfully, it'll be gone next season and the regular sized Zoe will be back.
  6. Fairy

    Fairy New Member

    So, this is a temporary Zoe? Why is that? Eek.
  7. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    They made the small Zoe for "Abby in Wonderland" as Mousy the Hatter Helper and they decided to get their mileage from it. They too realized what a mistake it was and have changed her back.
  8. Fairy

    Fairy New Member

    Oooh! See, I have no knowledge of any of this stuff and clearly need to hang out here more often. Thank you for clearing that up, I really appreciate it!
  9. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    The "WTFZoe" bugs me not just as a puppet but it seems to indicate a major problem going on behind the scenes with the leadership at SW.

    Obviously someone came up with the idea. I'll even grant that maybe just maybe there`was one or even two people who agreed and thought it was a good idea as well. But let's be frank - under normal circumstances, if someone said "You know let's go ahead and replace the regular Zoe puppet with this obviously way smaller, uglier puppet" they should have either been laughed at by everyone else in the room or been met with a series of dropped jaws with everyone sitting there waiting for a punchline or "April Fool's!" There HAD to have been a large number of people who knew that was simply a flat-out absurd, ridiculous, stupid idea.

    So either the upper management at SW has created some kind of atmosphere where they're surrounded by "Yes Men" and people in all departments too scared or intimidated to call people out on an obviously horrible idea or the management is so obnoxiously headstrong that they'll go ahead with a "my way or the highway" policy plowing ahead with the worst decisions even if they've got hundreds of people below them saying "uh...you are kidding, right? You aren't? Are you sure this is a good idea or even appropriate?"

    Either way, i'm really quite terrified of the implications for SW's future.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I get what you're saying, but I still say someone cried "budget crisis," and felt that using the puppet until it got worn out would save them a lot of money. I'm sure one of those kids of decisions twisted their arms in that direction, but everything so far this season shouts "WE NEED MONEY! Please give some to us PBS, instead of the BBC for terrible British CSI knockoffs!" The use of a puppet that clearly cost them something, the deserted look of the street (other than Jack's Jump, the season premier, and a couple others, it was like everyone else just happened to be on vacation), segments that just so happened to be borrowed from foreign productions, the reuse of footage, the reuse of footage, and the reuse of REUSED footage. All signs point to financial gap.
  11. Mupp

    Mupp Member

    I know that this thread has been around for a while, and this is my first time here, but I just wanted to share my thoughts;

    Generally, I have enjoyed season 40. Unlike previous seasons, this season we have seen many more appearances of the more classic characters such as Big Bird, Oscar, Snuffy, the Count, Cookie Monster, and Grover.
    For example, I was glad to see that Cookie Monster and Big Bird were involved with the "Stinky's Birthday" storyline.

    I have to say that I have gotten somewhat used to the "new" Zoe, but I really would love to see her back to here "old" self.

    Also, I do like the new "tune in" spots with Murry, and this may sound odd to some, but I do like Abby's Flying Fairy School. I think its a cute segment for children and I like the new characters. I also love the fact that the character's mouths are animated as if there was a hand inside their head like a real puppet.

    The only thing that I cannot sit through is Elmo's World. I do respect the fact that lots of children love him, and that apparently the segment has to be part of the show to hold the attention spans of young children, but I still cannot stomach the segment.

    I also don't mind Bert and Ernie's Great Adventures (yes, I know that it started last season) because they still show puppet Ernie and Bert segments. Although that does lead me to one of my only issues with season 40;
    no new Ernie and Bert skits.
    I realize that part of the reason of their absence is because Steve and Eric have been busy with their Muppet Show characters, that's why I'm hoping that they will have time to perform Ernie and Bert for season 41.
  12. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I agree with the last thing you said. There were several ones taped around 2002 and 2006 that have yet to air on the American show, but are playing on the foreign co-productions, why can't they use those?
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As I stated a while ago, I love Abby for ALL the reasons I hate EW. They actually attempt to do something and have a plot and story, and it cleverly deals with problem solving. All EW ever attempted was to say "Buy Elmo Toys!" My only problems with Abby are that it's just a bit long (but still manages to fly by faster than that 7 minute Cow thing from the first season) and they relied HEAVILY on reruns this year while insisting that they have to put the segment on each and every episode. Even the Zha ZHa Gabor gag gets stale after the third time.

    As for the tune in, again, it seems like a cost cutting idea and little more. Murray's games and demonstrations of opposites have been used 3 times, if not more, on occasion, and the Letter and Number recap is the same one redubbed over and over... sometimes using the WRONG footage of the wrong episode. And I still object to the "Abby's coming up next" bit. I Love the idea of him hosting the letter and number and word on the street bits, though... but that's all it should be.

    I really want to see more of the unseen E&B segments and less of the Murray's Lamb segments I already saw last year twice. I don't think the clay puppets would ever replace the foam ones... but some of the newer E&B segments aren't all that hot, and some of them are incredibly off kilter... like the one about the Frog in the oatmeal. If I want to see the Muppet Ernie and Bert, I want to see either new taped inserts, or some really choice older ones. I would much rather see Ernie and Bert's clay counterparts than Ernie singing about how much he loves his room, or playing the Head shaking, nose honking game.
  14. Mupp

    Mupp Member

    Yeah, I can understand that. I think that part of the whole "Its almost time for Abby!" deal is to make it seem like an advertising bumper, sort of going along with the Sesame Street idea of "selling" concepts things to kids.

    And yes, a lot of footage does tend to get recycled a lot.
    Its probably true that there are budget issues.
  15. Gelfling Girl

    Gelfling Girl Active Member

    Hmm...Not sure about "look" alike, but sound alike. Occasionally, there would be an English accent or something, but it would still sound like Abby.
  16. Mupp

    Mupp Member

    I don't think that its necessarily true that all of Leslie's characters sound like Abby.

    I have heard her perform some characters that didn't sound much at all like Abby.

    Yes, sometimes you can hear a hint of Abby's voice in some of her characters but children are not as discriminating as adults, and I don't think that children mind or even think that it could be the same voice.

    Leslie is still a very talented performer and can do some great characterizations.
  17. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Awww... no love for the Frog in the Oatmeal? I LOVED that one and found it hysterical! I think Eric actually managed to out-Oz Frank in that one!

    Oh my, based on the discussions here i can just see the future pledge drives...Send money now or we reduce Zoe to the size of a Twiddlebug. We will now play a Mural 17 and Computer 16 film festival over and over until we raise enough money to make different inserts!
  18. Muppet Frog

    Muppet Frog Member

    The only thing I like about EW was when Kermit made a comeback cameo in the Frogs segment.
  19. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    I know what you mean. It would be great to see new E & B sketches or even more of the old ones with Henson's Ernie. That is the bad part about losing 'Journey to Ernie.' You always could guarantee they'd play an Ernie sketch afterwards. (old or new) They should do the same thing with 'Great Adventures.' It would be neat if after we saw the claymation B & E, we could see the puppet B & E doing something else or heck, even commenting on what they saw like they did with 'Sneak Peek Preview' back in the 80s.
  20. Fairy

    Fairy New Member

    It's the mannerisms of her puppets that makes me see the same thing over and over. Like when Abby was shouting can-TEEN! with Cedric, the way her head went back and the way she would cock Abby's head after, it was identical to the flower's affect. Don't you think? So, you take someone like David, and let's face it, Jack sounds like Baby Bear, no question. But Jack and Baby Bear are portrayed and characterized completely and utterly differently, so when I see them, I truly see two characters even if the voices are almost identical. Leslie's characters I tend to see the same most times. I am not saying she's not talented, cuz dude, it's not like I can do what she does :). But I do think her characterizations are very, very similar.

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