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Your Thoughts: Street Gang – The Complete History of Sesame Street

Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Phillip, Dec 20, 2008.

  1. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Yeah, I that's exactly what I was thinking that it was finally making sense out of all that happened in the nineties. But I thought Friendly and not so friendly the part in the book about the rivalry between Jeff Moss and Joe Raposo was a really fun part of the book. It was a rivalry in a Harvard-Princeton rivalry sort of manor.

    Another part I found quite interesting was how how Micheal Eisner, after his relentless suit after the sesame street characters, on day come in with army of lawyers and raided and launched a full scale assault for a hostage takeover to gain ownership ship and control of the Sesame Street Characters in a final show down between him and Cooney. And it was amazing how and just plain old dumb luck and the right connection and the right place at the right time and She won and Disney backed off. They were were really lucky. But he ended up really lucky. But it ended with him screwing over The Henson Company in the end. :p

    But it all just comes together so well in the end and it really ends on such a beautiful note. I just love the ending. It's like justice for Jim or as as if Jim had some how help things to work out from a far morally in the end.

    Also thought was interesting were all the bouts in the early days that they had with the feminist and how CTW made sense about how trivial is was and to come after an easy target like a kids show when there a a lot worse linages out there on commercial the commercial television landscape that are being targeted at children of all things. In other words, there were a lot more deeper, important, pressings matters for them to fight...

    And it also delves into their concerns being a lot of the reason Zoe was made. But not only that, but she was created for all the wrong reasons and was the first puppet to completely change the way that characters were developed from that point on. It was the total opposite and I have to say rather disgusting which Fran Brill really hit on the note about. And the way they did it and dumped it all of her was cold and disturbing as well.

    I'm glad she pulled back after a point and too the time do develop the nurture the character and make it her own and one that people can actually care about. It almost seemed worse then what went into the creation of Abby and it was the start of it.
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Pretty typical, unfortunately.

    That's exactly what disatisfied Muppet fans are often trying to say.

    It's sad that a pioneering show had to suddenly overall itself simply because a new kid on the block gained popularity. I'm even more convinced I should show my kids the DVDs that lean towards the older material.
  3. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Sorry, but I only get half of this post, cause it seems rushed and the spelling and grammar is bad, and I'm confused by this. No offense or anything. Just how drastic were the character creation changes brought about by the creation of Zoe, a monster who seems to have been brought in for good reasons (A female lead), and then went through many visible changes in mannerism, dress etc. until settling down in the first few years of her existence.

    What exactly do you mean by "Demise" in this sense? A reduction in something? A lack of funding? A loss of ratings?
    But I do agree that Fran did send an initially confusing new character down the right path
    Well, there was a need on 'The street' for a female character that would exhibit qualities needed in the world today, adressing the issue that men and women are equal, and that there is a need for a self empowered female character, who is just as likely to play with trucks as she is dolls, and boys just as much as girls.


    Just to round off this post, I do think that everything is/has/will turn out OK for Sesame Street in the end. I mean, Season 39 was shot in HD, and that is a modernisation and an advancement in technology, and those sorts of things tend to get expensive, so SS must be getting better and moving further into "The modern age".
    Phew. Glad that got outa my system. We really do need a sigh Smiley.
  4. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Advancements in technology are indeed great, as long as the content is still doing its job. Of that I'm still concerned. I am definitely interested in reading what Street Gang had to say about all this. :)
  5. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    You know I'm sorry about the grammar. Somtimes I go over things and read read them and spell check them and them and it still comes out wrong... Plus it didn't help the fact that I was completely tired and didn't really gotten any sleep at the point. either. It sort of complicated, but it was the amount of research that went into her plus she was just made and created from only a marketing stand point to sell dolls. She was created she only to have talking points form the public relations department that were clearly purely on the bases of selling merchandise. They just kind of slapped her on Fran before she even knew what hit her and say to "make her a star the little girls would relate to and that the product team can bank on." That had all these unreasonable expectations for her performer. Where it usually took time, trial and patients to develop a character, this time that had a model that favored one cable networks. Where before developing a character was done as a collaboration with producers and writers this time it was all done by marketing specialist, and product developers and research. The book says that she was and carefully considered tested in focous groups for appeal and that this was basically was made to be a plush toy and not a character. The book goes on to say that every aspect of development was considerer and strategic. It goes on to say that her color choice was deliberate to contrast with other characterizing the TV screen and to stand out on store shelves where Barney dolls were being sold. He was considered The answer Muppet and was was touted out to feminist groups before she even as such before she even first appeared on the show... She was kind of put out beforehand as this breakout star with what people describes as "the First female Supernova of the show." She just had talking points that came from the public relations department. But you go to read Fran's take on it because she just gets it right of how characters were created before her, It was just the opposite way and nothing like this.


    I mean a complete dumbing down of the show... When it all went down hill quality wise. Some say it was with Elmo, but after reading this book I'm convened it was with Zoe. That to me was a very clear turning point where tings would not quite be the same again.


    Well I am with you and I think that is all well and true. The thing that surprises me about Abby is that she was pretty much devolved by Tony Geiss who had been a staff writer on the show sense in 1970's. I mean it says that Abby came from a "pretty-in-pink" brain storming session from Joan Coney. The Workshop refer to Zoe as more like Rhoda from Mary Tyler Moore. And they sort of refer to Abby as Mary who was more of a "girly girl" They go on to point out that they did not have a girly girl "on the show." But it says that feminists immediately too a disliking to the Abby, showing that the more things change, the most they stay the same.

    But I like think that having balance in important and I like the contrast between Zoe and their interaction between each other and the way the play and bounce of of each other. The chemistry between those characters is really fun to see!
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I never knew Zoe's origin and must have missed her formative years. Season 25 was a time when I was leaving home for college etc so my time was spent killing brain cells rather than enhancing them. :p

    By the time I noticed Zoe she was better formed into what we see today and I like that character very much. I'm glad Fran Brill found the right pitch for the character in all the PR mess. It is a beautiful puppet and not too girly like Abby tends to look.
  7. The Shoe Fairy

    The Shoe Fairy Active Member

    Well, thats all of my Zoe questions solved, and it ends on a good note!:D
  8. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    One thing I would really like to know is when the paper back version come out with additional charters, if the chapter on covering the latest season will be about season forty?
  9. lowercasegods

    lowercasegods Member

    My wife surprised me with a copy of this book a few days after Christmas, which was a wonderful way to get it. After reading it, I have my criticisms (they could have focused a LOT more on the show's actors and puppeteers), but mostly, this is the sort of in depth book I was waiting for. A nice companion piece to Sesame Street Unpaved (which had a far better title).
  10. Son of Enik

    Son of Enik Member

    After reading everyone's comments here, I think I'm going over to Amazon to order my copy of this amazing sounding book. I'll come back with thoughts of my own after I read it in it's entirety.
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I tried to hop into Borders Books across the street before work and even though the book was supposed to be in the store I couldn't find it and the staff was characteristically unhelpful. It was also listed for 8 bucks more than Amazon so I just ordered it online. I'm sure the staff at that store misplaced it in the kids section, but after using the locating kiosk and slogging through all the places it legitimately should be I gave up and started my workday. I will make a point to be even more helpful to customers today. :super:

    :search: Anyway, I'm very excited to get this book! Just the comments here have made for a good read, no doubt the book will too! Does it contain any images or art? If so, what?
  12. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Active Member

    I thoroughly enjoyed this book. The casual fan of Sesame Street probably wouldn't enjoy it as much as it doesn't go in to a lot of detail as to how certain characters came about but does a great job of introducing the people behind the scenes (benefactors, politicians, influences, producers, writers, stage hands, puppeteers, etc.). It gets into a lot of detail as to all the people that were involved in making Sesame street a reality and is a great read for a complete history of Sesame Street.

    P.S. I've also found several books listed on e-Bay and may be a cheaper alternative to bookstores or Amazon.
  13. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    Well I does have a section where is has what I feel is a fairly generous amount of photos.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Oh good. :) Thanks! :super: I'll be looking forward to it.
  15. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member


    Good Gravy, I never knew there was an untold story about Disney vs the Street. :eek:
  16. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Aw that stinks, well at least you had the online option. Maybe the last copy had just been taken from the store?
  17. KerMatttheFrog

    KerMatttheFrog New Member

    What a wonderful read! Very informative history of Sesame Street and I feel I have so much more understanding and appreciation for the work that went into creating and maintaining this show. I also was very interested in reading how the changes made to "the Street" to attempt to counter the popularity of Barney paralleled when I thought the actual tone and theme of the show changed without knowing the reasons.

    I highly recommend it for any fan of Henson, The Muppets, or Sesame!
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    That would be nice, but I doubt it's the case. There were many obscure new books in the new release section. Street Gang should have been there. They didn't carry Pepe's book either, but I can understand that. If I had flipped through that book beforehand I'd have left it on the shelf due to the sparse content and lack of photography (I know they've got pictures of the Prawn ready to use because I have a file of 'em). Here's hoping this month's Diva Code avoids that mistake.

    I'm glad Street Gang has some actual photos.
  19. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    There's chapter that discusses what Jone was saying about how they wanted to keep fantasy from reality. They were going to have the humans above ground and then that camera would go down into this underworld underneath the street where the Muppets Characters would be. And the tow species and human and Muppet would really ever meet. It had so many parallels to the concept of Fraggle Rock that it's believed that Jim Henson stored the ides later for that show.

    it also discusses more on the original concept and origin for Oscar The Grouch, and it is pretty interesting and confusing to me...
  20. mbmfrog

    mbmfrog Active Member

    Even though Carol Spinney Narrates the book's CD version...Does he narrates the part when it comes to himself in the book ? :(


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