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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 101 - Pig Girls Don't Cry (Pilot)

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 22, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" series premiere "Pig Girls Don't Cry"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    Like I said this show is for the Kids who grew up with the Muppets in the 70's and 80's And are now adults, Being that I am neither Conservative nor Christian, I am Buddhist and believe in the force from star wars:), I am not shedding any tears for those conservative Christian Parents that got a rude awakening. I live In America and we have the right to either watch or don't watch, or here is a novel idea set a block on your TV so your kids can't watch if it bothers you so much. Do I think they Might of done a Poor Marketing job on this making it seem like it was for Little kids, Yes I would agree to that. On the other hand Little Kids shouldn't be up at 8:00PM on a school night, My 7 year old nephew who has lived with me his whole life with his mom, my sister, because his dad is A deadbeat dad who left him when he was an Infant, my nephew goes to bed anywhere from 7:00PM to 7:30PM they, "ABC" might also be wise to put a 14 rating on the show so people know what age is appropriate, this reminds me of that christian Conservative group that pulled this same stunt with the Simpsons, the Simpsons is an Adult show after all kids should not be watching it.
  2. lilwolf

    lilwolf New Member

    Surprisingly, I did not enjoy this show. After watching it I felt frustrated and bummed, because there wasn't enough familiar things.
    Two things would have worked me:
    One is the modern twist, which they did but instead have new characters, or only a few old ones.
    Two is have it be a variety show. Either as close to the old one as possible, or with a modern flare.
    Hopefully the second episode with be a little more upbeat at least.

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    Variety Shows are dead, The Ratings for SNL and shows like it have been horrible for years, going Mocumentary style was the way to go, I personally love Mocumeantaries one of my Favorites was Comic Book The Movie with Mark Hamill, Billy West, and Jess Harnell just to name a few!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  4. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Exactly. That was my point in my earlier post about "Three's Company."

    Come and knock on my door anytime. :)

    Hokey smoke! I almost forgot about that one.

    Wasn't that why MT! didn't work out? Because they tried the same formula, but they just didn't seem to cut it. Though that could have been mainly because they had Clifford host instead of Kermit. Who knows?
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    SNL gets a ratings bump during political situations. Mainly because it's ...just not that funny anymore. The only really talented cast members are the black cast members (and Bobby), and they seem to use them in as little sketches as possible so we can have Cecilie Strong play the same unfunny charters over and over. Why, I'd venture to say Girlfriends Talk Show is one of the worst recurring skits in SNL history. Seriously. They have these talented comedians that are only there for the sake of being tokens and playing the President and Al Sharpton.

    But anyway, the Muppet Show was a variety show straight out of the 70's. It managed to work that format better than most, and went right up until the early 80's. When they tried that format with JHH and MT, they were both updated, but something was missing and lighting in a bottle was elusive to recapture. JHH was too experimental and lacked some key elements of the original, at least the Muppet Central segments. MT was a mess, but when it worked, it worked nicely. The show's biggest problem was trying to recreate older sketches to be parodies of current TV shows. This lead to Pigs in Space:Deep Dish Nine (which sucked), Bay of Pigs Watch (which also sucked), and ERERO (which was meh). Meanwhile, the one shot pop culture parodies were actually the stars of the show. Seinfeld Babies, Co-Dependants Day... stuff like that. But the desire to make The Muppet Show only hip made the show start off weak, only to find its footing just as it ended.

    I dunno about anyone else, but I'd rather see them do something new than just parrot what they did before in an unsatisfying way. It was nice to see The Muppet Show in small bits in the two feature films and that comic book (that improved the formula, quite honestly). But I don't want to see a blatant retread that comes off as a Xerox of a Xerox of a Xerox.
  6. RealWonderman

    RealWonderman Well-Known Member

    I most agree with this writers' review:

    (paraphrased, but the full article is attached)

    Let’s be honest. The premise of 2011’s “The Muppets” feature film, by far the biggest hit these characters have ever had, was that their time had unfortunately passed.

    It’s not that “The Muppets” isn’t relevant. And, despite the reaction from some parent groups to the decidedly grown-up approach taken by their latest show, it’s not that they’re making some kind of desperate move to stay in the spotlight. Their greatest hurdle seems to be the perception of what they are, based more on sentimental attachment than anything else, rather than their rich history of satirizing popular culture and championing outsider thought.

    In that sense, “The Muppets” truly has more in common with “The Muppet Show” than anything fans have seen since. Once again, we’ve got an all-access backstage pass to a big variety show, this time hosted by the always unpredictable Piggy and supported by her tolerant and devoted staff. Scooter, Animal, The Electric Mayhem, and even the most minor characters are present.

    The celebrities and musical guests are still a thing, but there is a clear confidence in the story of a bunch of puppets struggling to make it all work. It’s not just a riff on programs like “The Office.” It’s a kind of mirror for what these felt-covered friends have gone through from day one.

    “The Muppets” airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. on ABC.

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  7. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I wish there was some way I could get my point across, because it seems it's getting ignored. My point is that Jim never intended the Muppets to be for kids. He really wanted them to be for everyone.....
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's a sentiment that most of us share, anyway. Look at Dinosaurs. That had some pretty adult material and mild cussing, not to mention going on deep social issues. Dinosaurs even made fun of Scientology at one point, and as it was overlooked by a mass audience that thought it was a Simpsons with puppets knockoff, they didn't get their butts handed to them over it. Indeed, some of the Dinosaurs stuff was allegorical enough to just whiz by kids' heads (Mating Dance being a stand in for sex). Rewatching the series as an adult, you can tell that was their main audience and the merchandising bit was for kids.

    I think that members here that have a problem with the overall media landscape because things overall aren't wholesome 60's TV fair, even though the lid was blown off that in the 70's and once again in the 90's. The 90's, of course, being the decade where the single 20-30 somethings trying to get some show ran rampant. I'm not kidding. There was actually even a show called The Single Guy. Lasted 2 years for some reason.

    The thing I still find baffling is that when the Disney Jr. shorts were released, there were howling complaints about how the Muppets were being too kiddified, only to read contradictory complaints about this series being too adult (by adults, mind you). Overall, the Djr shorts were adorable and this series isn't anything raunchier than ABC's Wednesday Night line up. Yet, there are adult themes about romance and break ups and the like. It reminds me of that not too old, not too recent Simpsons gag where Bart goes behind the "adult video" curtain at a video store and finds Moe renting Brideshead Revisited.
  9. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    It's okay, Dwayne. We see what you're saying. It's true that was never Jim's intention of making the Muppets for kids, but it doesn't change the fact that kids and adults both love the Muppets, so that's basically the point of this discussion, it's okay to use adult humor. But it's good to keep it clean for the sake of kids who are watching.

    Exactly. "Dinosaurs" seemed to fall into that category as well, especially later in the show when they used fictitious swear words like 'smoo,' 'flark,' and 'glip.' So they're not swearing for real. That's a path I'd like to see a lot of shows follow.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Dinosaurs used the mild 2, D and H frequently, especially season 3 onward. And hilariously, I might add. D was uttered by the Dinosaur devil that Earl sold his soul to for that ugly collectible mug.

    But Dinosaurs had some rather subversive and adult themes to it despite Baby Sinclair merchandising focused to kids. It just managed to do the just over kids' heads route. I'd say this series is the same. I'm pretty sure most kids wouldn't have gotten the "bear dating" joke. Frankly, I've seen kid's movies get away with more. Well, just a certain green ogre before they went all PG is the new G.
  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I'm confused. So you think there weren't enough familiar things, yet would have preferred they have new characters and only a few old characters? The Jim Henson Hour and Muppets Tonight both had a lot more new characters than old characters, and around here that seems to be one of the biggest fan complaints about Muppets Tonight (I don't really see many complaints about the new characters from JHH being used significantly more than old characters).
  12. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    Being a Conservative and a Christian I can tell you even though I do not LIKE some of the stuff they are doing now I enjoy the new show very much and intend to see more. as for the million moms complaining. they complain about EVERYTHING and I don't really put much stock into what they say. Plus I'm an adult but I am pretty sure kids WILL watch this because it's muppets. Kids like muppets. Adults like Muppets. There's nothing wrong with liking muppets. Lol the muppet show was geared more toward adults when it aired but my mother's little kid brother watched it when it aired. I like when adults shows can be enjoyed by children as well as adults.
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    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    you bring up some really good points, I agree. wasn't there a scene in The Muppets Movie where restaurant patrons in Doc Hoppers were drinking beer? how would that go over today in a kids movie no less?

    going back to my post about Variety shows, The Comedian and Actor Pete Davidson who is on SNL his Mom, who lived on Cloverdale AV In Staten Island NY Great Kills, lived across the street from my Grandmother and when she was a kid she baby sat for me and my sisters who lived around the block on Ocean View Pl so I always hope the best for Pete and root for him to do good.
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2015
  14. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    Heh just remember in a lot of older disney movies characters would get drunk and smoke. Pegleg Pete, Captian Hook, Rattagan. Heck there's even a scene in The Great Mouse Detective where mice get drunk and a stripper appears on stage!
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    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    all true and Loony Toons did episodes centered around Hitler and most episodes had guns and major violence some how my parents and my generation some how survived with out growing up to be serial killers or something like that all while growing up on the Loony Toons .....:)
  16. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    The female mouse voiced by Melissa Manchester in The Great Mouse Detective wasn't a stripper, she was a lady entertainer/singer who went a costume change from meek little mouse to showgirl.
  17. Davina

    Davina Well-Known Member

    hey all.. been ages since i've been on (computer issues and, well, life stuff...) anyway.. we finally got to watch this a few days ago. It was good..but it wasn't great.. No where near what I was hoping for... but also not as messed up as i'd half expected... It is the pilot, and we all know lots of shows change drastically from their pilots.. we're hoping that happens here. another "conservative christian" here, and i agree.. as is, this is not something i'd feel comfortable watching with the younger kids.. not like when i was younger and watching the muppet show w/ the family.. this is not there. This does make me sad, but I'm hoping they can bring in some more family friendly elements as they go.. otherwise, hubby and I will be watching this by ourselves. (that said.. this is also no where near as bad as a certain Christmas Special from about 13 years ago that does NOT get mentioned in our house... I have worked long and hard to get some of those images out of my head....)
    I would love for more family friendly stuff on TV, period...and would be beyond thrilled if some of that were muppet related, but we are with holding full judgement on the show til we see a few more episodes..
    now, that said.. while we were watching and there was a bit where Denise came in wearing glasses and hubby turned and said he didn't realize I was in the show... lol.. that was a fun bit for us, and we LOVED playing "spot the muppet" and hubby is really excited that Uncle Deadly and Bobo are back (two of his favs...) and we both agree that Gonzo feels flat just floating around the writer's room.. he needs to be doing crazy things.. that's just too much a part of who Gonzo is.... Fozzie's desperation for approval from his gf's parents was sad and pathetic.. and really right up what you'd expect from Fozzie..
  18. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    The movie didn't have any scenes inside a Doc Hopper restaurant. There was the scene where one was under construction, and we saw a commercial, but that's all we saw of his actual restaurants. The restaurants were the El Sleazo Cafe (where Fozzie made a "drinks on the house" gag) The Terrace Restaurant (which wasn't referred to by name in the actual film, but Kermit did order champage, and the audio version of "I Hope That Something Better Comes Along" had Kermit ask for a grasshopper).
  19. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    ^ you forgot about rowlf saying he goes home and drinks beer XD
  20. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Just to clear things up before I end up getting lumped, I'm not conservative, and admittedly, my opinion on gratuitous sexual content in entertainment today isn't really related to being a Christian, I just feel that in general entertainment today relies way too heavily on the notion that sex sells, and I'm tired of it. Like has been pointed out by others in this thread, it is possible to have a funny show or movie without relying on all that, but apparently you can't in this day and age.

    But yes, it is ironic that while we can show sexual content on TV today and nobody bats an eye, you can't show people drinking or smoking without outcry - even in movies, if you see the rating is something like PG, PG-13, R, whatever, you'll see among the content advisory disclaimer: "depections of people smoking/drinking."

    There's an old SST clip on YT, and I remember seeing in the comments section people flipping out because of the cigar boxes in Hooper's Store: "OMG! Mr. Hooper sold cigars! How could he!?"
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