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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 101 - Pig Girls Don't Cry (Pilot)

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 22, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" series premiere "Pig Girls Don't Cry"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Yeah. That's kind of how I feel about swearing. That's why I stopped watching Top Model this season, because in about every episode they focus on dirty phrases like 'bad ***' or 'pi**ed off' which they keep repeating over and over again. Heck, I didn't like Penn Jillete's constant use of the phrase 'You magnificent (word that rhymes with mustard)' on his show the other night. (Maybe it's more a CW thing than anything, but that's another story.) Seems like shows have to rely on garbage like excessive swearing or excessive sexual content to generate an audience. Aside from The Muppets, it might be time I stopped watching TV altogether.
    :):o:concern: It might be time I stopped watching TV.

    Now I don't have an issue with that one. The cigar box was a classic point of the subplot on "Christmas Eve on Sesame Street." Plus it was stated that the cigar box was empty. Lol.

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    regardless they were in a restaurant at some point in the movie and On my LG 42 Inch HD TV it looked like several patrons in the restaurant had beer and my point Is What would people say if they showed Alcohol consumption and Smoking as another poster pointed out but we can't have Cursing and Adult humor on The muppets, you cant have your cake and eat it to you know, what makes one right and the other wrong?
  3. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    Off topic from the past few messages, but I was wondering if whoever is in charge of making the "Your Thoughts on Thread" could make the thread a day early (Monday) so us Canadian viewers have a place to discuss the episode with out having to worry about Spoiling the episode for someone else. Thanks?
  4. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    There was a spoiler thread somewhere.
  5. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    LOL are you talking about the one I keep mentioning but nobody seems to post in? But I mean like an official thread like this one. Just to keep everything in one place.
  6. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think you and Dwayne are on the same page with your line of thinking about Henson never wanting the Muppets to be aimed at kids from the get go. I think people often consider "Sesame Street" and "The Muppets" in the same light, but the target audience is different. Seems as if people often forget that. So I don't disagree with you. But mainly what Snowth and I have been talking about is the fact that there's a difference between having adult humor and pushing it too far if you see what I mean.
  7. Teheheman

    Teheheman Well-Known Member

    Can we all agree that Fozzie's car was awesome? If I drove, I'd drive that sucker.

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  8. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    It's really Awesome seeing Fozzie behind the wheel again! :o
  9. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I will say this. I and a lot of people are aware that Muppets were not intended toward kids but let's just consider this. How vulgar was The Muppet Show or even the Muppet films that came afterward? I mena he could have made those muppet films really really mature themed because at the time they came out there were adult films wiht lots of profanity and sexual stuff but he didn't. So I am going to assume while he geared muppets TOWARD adults he also wnated KIDS to be able to enjoy it as well.
    *shrug* This is just my opinion.
  10. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    And there was an interview where he said that he didn't want to make a PG-rated Muppet film. I wonder if he would feel the same way if he were alive when the last two movies were made.
  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Your honor I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!
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  12. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    The pilot was a bit of a mixed bag for me, but it was more good than bad.

    It was almost a case too many guest stars in one episode. I feel like none of them got to be appreciated properly, like it was just too much going on in one episode with them trying to establish everything, but it seems like Elizabeth Banks was the 'main' guest star. Tom Bergeron is great; hopefully they'll bring him back for proper guest star treatment.

    Pepe was a bright spot for me.

    Something is off about Fozzie... both his puppet, and I know you can't clone Frank Oz, but this guy's Fozzie isn't all too great. It isn't an issue, but it just bugged me, and I know it's not fair to go in expecting Frank's Fozzie.

    Scooter's sassiness in the golf cart scene was really weird and out of character to me (I had to wonder if that's how he really acted because it's been so long since I've watched the Muppets), but that was funny when he jumped back on the golf cart. I agree that the Muppets were a bit too mean in this episode. Like that wasn't funny when Piggy called Fozzie a worthless of fur; that was just mean. That's not 'Muppets' to me. And it's so weird how she doesn't remember any of them but Kermit. What's up with that? I guess it would make sense for her to maybe forget someone like Beaker or some of the more obscure Muppets, but she should definitely remember Fozzie and Gonzo.

    Yes. I noticed this almost immediately. Again, at first I wondered if it was because it's been so long since I've watched the Muppets, but it was just too off.

    I agree. I loved this segment. This was the one part where it actually felt like The Muppets to me.
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2015
  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I didn't feel that way. I wasn't expecting them all to get a lot of screen time. I don't expect every episode to have a "main" guest star, either. Maybe if the show showed more of the talk show than backstage/personal lives stuff.

    That was a gag in the pilot as well, she couldn't remember Gonzo's name (and Gonzo kept pointing out their history together), and in a
  14. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    we get it! You don't have to hit us over the head with it! Nobody is arguing the fact!
  15. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I've been thinking about that recently as well. Seems like Eric has trouble getting Fozzie out of the first season. He really needs to make his voice, a little more like Bert. Though, I thought his Fozzie voice was really good in IVAMCMM.

    It's okay, Lady. Dwayne's a good guy. But we all have different opinions and different points of view that we want to get out in the open.
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  16. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member


    As for voices I thought everyone sounded great. I am still getting use to Scooter and Janice, but I thought everyone sounded fine
  17. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    The voices were all OK to me. Not perfect but they were good. What bothered me most was the character of the Muppets in general was waaaaay off. I felt they were all a bit meaner, a bit snarkier than the true Muppets we've loved. I've always seen the Muppets as this weird ensemble of characters/friends that despite their differences and quirks always managed to love and embrace each other. I didn't get that feeling at all. They seemed very critical of each others differences and quirkiness. Hope this changes.

    I've had several family members and friends who are casual Muppet fans ask me after the show "when did the Muppets become so mean?" or some variation of the question.
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  18. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I'd still like to point out floyd's new voice sounds MUCH older than his older voice. I don't have a problem with it it's just something I noticed. I guess he got older. XD
  19. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    You know what I find odd? Everybody's complaining about the Muppets being "too mean" and "too snarky" with each other . . . but this is exactly what Frank Oz has been saying the Muppets have been missing all these years: conflict. At the risk of sounding like Drtooth, I guess what they say is true: you can't please everybody; no matter what they do, some people are going to find reasons to complain. First, the Muppets were "too cute" and "too sweet;" now they're "too mean" and "too snarky."

    Of course, as I've said before: if Disney would bring in people who know how to write for the Muppets and not people from other snarky sitcoms to try to write for the Muppets, maybe the characters would seem more like themselves?
  20. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Well there can be a balance between too snarky and too cute. They need to find that or the show won't catch on with casual fans. I never had a casual Muppet fan tell me that the Muppets were too cute. But I have had several tell me they came across as mean and snarky. Most casual fans only know of the Muppets from what they saw in the original Muppet show. And a lot of their perception is seen through nostalgic glasses and those glasses remember the through thick-or-thin togetherness of the Muppets, despite their differences. Their differences were ignored, now they seem to be high-lighted. They don't want snarkiness from the Muppets.

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