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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 101 - Pig Girls Don't Cry (Pilot)

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 22, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" series premiere "Pig Girls Don't Cry"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    I don't understand why some people don't like Denise. In my opinion, I just always like seeing new characters added to the Classic Muppet gang.
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I actually liked Denise. And the human characters. And...yeah I liked Denise and the human characters, lol.
  3. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    I like Denise too
  4. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I don't hate denise it's just her look freaks me out. It's those eyes. They make her look like her parents were a pig and an alien from the planet Glorp. I think she needs to keep the glasses on, they make her look better.
  5. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    I completely understand where you're coming from. I wonder, though, if Kermit was really all that "mean", or if it wasn't just that we've become so accustomed to the overly saccharine and almost rigidly moral attitudes many of these characters have been assigned over the last few years. Frankly, the Kermit I saw looked a little more fallible, a bit more human (well, as human as a frog can look). I can't help but wonder if that was a deliberate decision - make the characters a little more relatable and suited to the "modern condition". With the focus of the show intended as the Muppets' real lives, I think it's pretty possible that they're looking to play up the failings of these characters, and in a way that can be understood across a span of generations. Kermit's standard response to a negative situation in the past was to seem relatively unfazed until it all got too much, at which point he'd have an incredibly obvious, physical and vocal explosion. That's not the way we usually see Gen Ys and Millennials responding, so maybe the occasional snide comment is an attempt at relating to their way of managing stress. Frankly, I think it helps us see a greater range of acting skills from our Frog, and puts some additional extra layers into a program type (i.e. puppet show) that in my opinion has a very real risk of becoming just one-note.
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  6. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Hi Bear Man, I want you to know, I took a long time thinking before responding to this. :)

    Well as a Millennial, I think I understand where you're coming from as well. My generation is more into the snide comment thing and I'm no exception, it's fun. Thing is, the Kermit of Muppet Show or Muppets Take Manhattan, that was always my younger self's reference for how adults reacted to the stresses of life (with some humor of course). You do your best to be the grown up but sometimes you just can't hold it in. It's an important thing to learn. So...it's kinda strange to see Kermit no longer being that example to follow.

    Have you ever seen that episode of Rugrats where Tommy's father gets hit on the head and thinks he's a baby? Tommy thinks it's fun at first, having another friend to play with. But after awhile, he realizes his father will never be coming home again. "When you were my Daddy you'd make toys specially for me, and read me stories and tuck me in at night and...I miss my Daddy." That's kinda how it is with me and Kermit. I don't want him to be like me, if that makes sense. :cry:

    Now, that doesn't mean I want him to be all saccharine and perfect, like some of the recent production. I definitely agree with you there. That would just be bland and boring. There must be some kind of balance that can be recaptured.
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2015
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  7. Bear Man

    Bear Man Well-Known Member

    I definitely understand where you're coming from. I guess all I'm saying is that it actually looks like they've put a huge amount of thought into this (either that or I've put way too much thought into it and am just justifying decisions they took without much regard!). If there's anything that I disagree with you about, it's your very last sentence - "There must be some kind of balance that can be recaptured." As a typically cynical Gen Y-er, I wonder if a balance actually can be recaptured, or if it isn't a case of needing to accept some artistic evolution decisions...

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    but that's the thing, if you watch The Muppet Show they weren't any more subtle then this new Muppet show if you look at the video that was posted a page or two back you can see what I and other posters are talking about. and the muppet show was what, in the 1970's and it had raunchy adult humor.
  9. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    The Muppet Show did have adult humor and it felt very natural. The Muppets (2015)'s humor felt more labored, like they were nudging me in the ribs.

    Respectfully disagree. :)
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  10. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    Raunchy adult humor for the 70's. Remember that what you could do and say on TV back then was a lot different than now.
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    You can argue that you could get away with more back then.
  12. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Been watching the show on ABC.com quite a bit, but today for the first time, I paused it to see something... And when paused, ABC.com replaces the image with a promotional shot. How dare they? Not sure if Hulu allows for pausing to see still images.

    Something that took me awhile to notice, but it seems like most of the characters who wear clothes go through multiple outfits. The Swedish Chef, Bunsen, Beaker, Statler, Waldorf, and Uncle Deadly all wear the same outfits throughout the episode, but everyone else wears at least two outfits during the course of this. And none of these wardrobe changes are plot-relevant, either. I know Miss Piggy has normally worn different outfits in every appearance for years, and quite a few characters have had their regular attire changed over the years.
  13. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That is a compliment I can give, the Muppets' outfits are lovely (really like Fozzie's tie) and also my friend pointed out the puppetry syncing seemed really polished. The camera work was creative. My issues with this film had nothing to do with how it looked. It looked fine.
  14. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    like i said before I just don't want to see muppet sex. >_<
  15. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    It's really a question of execution. Raquel Welch telling Fozzie the bear is sexy is a charming moment because it gave him confidence. That is very adult, in a good way. Fozzie being the clueless sap with a future father in law is bad sitcom writing and also just a downer. The character is to be laughed at, not with. I don't know where so many writers lately have gotten the idea that Fozzie's role is to Jar Jar a production. :p
  16. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    hey at least jar jar doesn't have a girlfriend with predigest parents who act like they found dog poop in their mailbox.

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    not so take a look at the youtube video of the muppet show that was posted a few pages back....
  18. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    you referring to the pilot video or the one i posted with uncle deadly?

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    this one,

    there is just as much adult raunchy humor in this then the new show IMHO
  20. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    In the beginning I was afraid it was going to be different- but it was. A beautiful, refreshing different. After years and attempts of trying to get it right, they finally got it perfectly imperfect, (which means five stars in Muppet language) The humor was good, the look was good, the personalities were on point, and the dialouge was outstanding! I think that this is going to be a very good show, and it definitely shows that they put in great effort to make this happen- so kudos to them! I can rightfully say, The Muppets have found themselves home! :)

    PS: I laughed so hard when Scooter got pushed off the golf cart by Elizabeth Banks. XD
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