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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 101 - Pig Girls Don't Cry (Pilot)

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 22, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" series premiere "Pig Girls Don't Cry"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Wow, here we are! The Muppets back on tv in full force(surprised this isn't a 40 page thread already, heh) The advance reviews from news sites are right; this show is quite a technical achievement. The camera movement, editing, digital rod removal, busy background characters, nuanced movements, zippy pacing.
    Still feels surreal seeing the Muppets in such a modern setting. My favorite scene ended up being the opening morning production meeting. Just watching the artistry at work there and dialogue interplay was amazing.
    I didn't laugh too much, but then again it takes a lot to make me laugh. But I was thoroughly entertained.

    Addressing some of the criticism:

    - the mocumentary format: People are saying it's too ubiquitous and played out. But the studio sitcom was played out decades ago, and only Big Bang Theory and a couple other shows still use that. There's really only three tv comedy styles. The studio sitcom. The what I call "Malcolm in the Middle" style that The Goldbergs, Middle, Blackish, Fresh of the Boat, Bernie Mac, Pete and Pete, etc used or uses. And then the "mockumentary", which I definitely feel fits here. Remember, all three of the past Muppet shows was about putting on a show and the behind the scenes aspect of the show. Muppet Show, and then the two subsequent shows which were about a TV station...so it's kind of interesting to see a show where most of the show is about the behind the scenes.

    - the adult direction: Seeing a lot of parents on facebook complaining...people who must be living in some bizarro world where the muppets simply exist as a slightly edgier extention of squeaky clean Sesame Street. This is a show about the lives of grownups(the Muppets) in the real world. Not exactly sure how one could expect it to not be riddled with adult humor, and moreover grown up problems.

    - Denise: I originally was also jarred by her puppet design from pictures. Given she seems to forgo the Henson "magic triangle" recipe and has an almost more "Henson alternative/stuffed and unstrung" look. But from what I saw of her, I kind of get it now. She's the more quirky down to earth muse to piggy's over the top diva sensibility.

    Really liked Piggy's vulnerability in the flashback scene.
    Seeing Big Mean Carl, Behemoth and Jim Henson Hour's Chip in so many scenes was quite a treat. VERY excited to see which of the countless more obscure Muppets will be used...Im sure we'll be hitting up Muppets Wikia quite often! Hoping they can get both super A-list mega star actors as well as "where have they been all these years" forgotten actors.

    The critics loved the first episode; just worried and curious what the average non Muppet fan or casual fan viewer thought
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  2. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    If you missed the premiere of "The Muppets" or if you want to watch it again, the first episode is now on-line here: abc.tv/1V8Iys1.
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  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    The Pepe/Rizzo dynamic was completely missing from the recent two films, so I was quite excited to not only see it back in full force with this new tv series...but with Rizzo and Yolanda.

    But....will Bean Bunny ever be back? I literally think I'd faint if they brought
    in for a cameo Digit or other Jim Henson Hour characters besides Chip. Heck, I'D LOVE to even see some Muppets Tonight characters besides Pepe and Randy/Andy. (Heck, I kind of want to see Clifford back)
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  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

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  5. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    Hi! Remember me?

    I watched the premiere yesterday, and overall I enjoyed it. It felt very much like a first episode, with the new situation being introduced and the viewers being brought up to speed on the situation. Hopefully we're past that and next week we can focus more on plot, because that's what I felt was lacking in this one: a plot for us to focus on, rather than a lot of exposition.

    Most of the "adult" stuff pleased me. Fozzie dealing with having a personal life. Sam "Can't say h***" the BS&P representative. Fozzie's bear joke, which reminded me of the bear joke in Pixar's Inside Out. The breakup scene between Kermit and Piggy, with some great acting by both of them. (The way Piggy stood there with her lip quivering...wow.) Zoot's substance abuse anonymous joke. Piggy joking about plastic surgery. It all works for me.

    There's only one part of the show that made me cringe, and that was the ride through the lot when Scooter was driving. I thought that it was too violent for the situation and made the guest star look nasty. But, most of all, I was distracted by the seam running up the back of Scooter's head. I wanted to fix it with a needle and toothbrush.

    I have my hopes for Denise. I want her to become a viable character, not just the not-Miss-Piggy that Kermit is dating. Please don't let her get drawn into catfights with Miss Piggy. That would be so cliche. Call me a heretic, but I'm not a Kermit/Piggy shipper and I think that this time apart could be good for them, help them get a bit of perspective. (I'm not silly enough to think that they won't end up back together in the end!)

    Where was Walter? I hope he'll be there too. Maybe they're waiting to introduce him into the show after all the core classic characters are established. If they can include that weird conehead who blinks his pupils, they better not leave Walter out.
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really think they set some great stuff up here. Kermit and Piggy subtly hinted at not being over each other, the mockumentary format seems to be lightly mocking itself, Gonzo being a terrible writer (his "Dancing with the Czars" bit seems to be a slight stab at some of the skits that fell flat on MT), the band just not being all there. There's a lot to build up on here, and once they're free of the establishment phase, the episodes will flow much better.

    Of note:

    Scooter has a minor role and Big Mean Carl is there, so, WOOHOO to that.

    The sex jokes seem to be of the talking over the heads of 8 year olds variety, and very much not as obvious or heavy as a standard Simpsons episode (again, Simpsons kid's toys, there's a kid's meal promotion at BK right now). Loved the line about bears and Fozzie's knee-jerk apologetic "Eh...not wrong, just wrong for me." The cross promotion bit was a little awkward, but certainly not as cringeworthy as some of the thing the frog has said in the past ("Get down with your bad selves." still sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me).

    Piggy as a late night talk show host works. They managed to get the subtle line between being totally into it and being fake to the guest celebrities. I really hope each episode shows a little more of the show.

    Me Animal now talk like Grimlock. Don't know how to make of that.

    It couldn't be more obvious that Denise is a rebound catch for Kermit. He seems to be happy with her, but not extremely. The stress eating bit gives it away. You can really get the hint that working with Piggy is deep down killing him, and at some points he seems to be lying to himself pretty badly. Hope to see more of the relationship like this.

    While Walter wasn't in the episode, Peter Linz is in the opening credits. He'll probably focus eventually. Also loved seeing how they at least give Jim Henson credit in the opening. So that connection isn't completely lost. Almost makes me as happy as hearing Bill Finger getting recognized by Gotham.

    They seem to have taken core bits from the pre-pilot here, but they play off a little differently. Gonzo making fun of the mockumentary format, Kermit saying his life became a bacon wrapped He[ck]. I really hope they use the "Uh, was I in Muppet Treasure Island" bit in another episode.

    Rizzo, Pepe, and Gonzo make major contributions. See? The lack of focus on them as far as the last 2 movies go was temporary and only for those films.

    Only thing that kinda fell flat was the Imagine Dragons bit at the end. Seems they could have done something better there. And I'm surprised they didn't even have Statler and Waldorf make use of the fact the song kept saying "Rock Bottom." As in:

    :boo: Rock Bottom?
    :sleep: Yeah. As in their career hit rock bottom to have to appear on this show.

    (or something similar).

    I give the show so far 4 Wows.
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  7. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    Yes the Rizzo and Pepe was what was missing from the other two movies and yes I understand they were more about getting the Muppets back together or should I say Classic Characters.

    I too would love to see more cameos or other characters from JHH and MT. That would be great to see them working around the building. Why not bring back the elephant character that Pepe played so good off of. Seymore isn't It? I had thought how funny it would be to see a scene with Digit in a closet like he's been turned off or like an old props basement where a bunch of old Muppet props or whatever but get to see Digit and then for him to be turned on after all these years. How cool would that be?

    And yes I want to see Andy and Randy pig too. How much fun those characters would be.
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  8. Jedi Kitty

    Jedi Kitty Member

    When Piggy just stood there and said "..Kermit..!" I felt my heart break. Really amazing scene.. I found myself touched and caring about the characters and their story the same way I do live-action characters in other shows and movies I enjoy.

    I really very much enjoyed this first episode. I think anything that felt bumpy, forced, etc.. will smooth out in time. As long as the show is given the chance ! The adult stuff just doesn't bother me at all. Not yet, anyway ! Ever since information about the show started releasing, I've been really interested in the idea of the characters acting like real adults.

    I really enjoyed Elizabeth Banks and Tom Bergeron and most of the jokes hit their marks with me ! "Can't say ***", "Crotchety, twiddle, gesticulate", "That is an offensive stereotype !!", "Oh god, we're gonna die of hypothermia !", "Animal think Frog plan dicey", "too many women too many towns..", "Skin, skin !", Uncle Deadly lurking in the background with his lint roller in general (that happened at least twice), Piggy wanting a generic layer of trash, "Talk to God about lilacs..", Piggy agreeing to be truthful and then slamming Denise and Kermit in the next beat - I loved it all !

    Speaking of Denise - the accent doesn't seem to fit her, somehow, but I think she's a beautiful Muppet ! Pretty sure she's destined for heartbreak, though, because I'm in the camp that think one of the arcs of the show will be Kermit and Piggy reuniting.
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2015
  9. Erine81981

    Erine81981 Well-Known Member

    I need some help if anyone can help me with it. I'm going to be doing a review on the first episode on my YouTuibe Channel and I need some screen grabs from the episode. Here is what I need.

    Both shots of Fozzie's full body. The one on stage and the one where he's sitting on the couch.

    Scooter getting thrown off the golf cart.

    Animal ripping the drum at the end

    That's pretty much it. I do need them before Friday cause that's when I'll be posting the video on my channel plus I need them today so I can start editing them into my video.
  10. LinkLady77

    LinkLady77 Well-Known Member

    I just want to say that seeing Andy and Randy pig put a smile on my face! I would LOVE to see Link and Dr. Strangepork hanging around in a future episode. Seeing minor Muppets in the background perks me up! I like Denise but the only thing that weirds me out is her eyebrows! Like Miss Piggy said to Joan Rivers in TMTM, "Pigs don't have eyebrows". Also, I will really miss hearing Jerry Nelson's voice as an announcer throughout this series...what an iconic voice and truly talented performer he was. Looking forward to the next episode of The Muppets!
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  11. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    I thought the pilot really enjoyable, the jokes, really hit it on the nose like, Zoot thinking he's an AA meeting. I hope we get more obscure characters like Clifford for bean bunny. I give this pilot 4/5 Kermit smiles.:):):):)
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  12. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed this episode so far. They managed to work in a good amount of drama with Kermit and Piggy's relationship, and the humorous moments with Fozzie's interspecies romance. Plus we got secondary characters like Scooter and Rizzo get their fair share of screen time.

    And I did like how they implemented Statler & Waldorf in the audience of Piggy's talk show, very much how I predicted when I thought this new show would be a traditional sitcom. And I also liked how the opening made a little musical nod to TMS on the title card.

    Not a perfect start to the muppets. (as I will be writing it from now on to distinguish from The Muppets franchise and The Muppets 2011 film), but rarely do new TV shows start off perfectly.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I feels shows that start their strongest will usually flounder in further episodes trying to capture what made the first episodes work. Some shows start slow and get better as they go on, but other shows that start strong (cough cough Heroes) just can't maintain. I'd say The Muppets is off to a good enough start that things can build up. If it starts too weak, then there's no reason to tune in, if it starts too strong, how are they going to maintain momentum? It hit that middle road pretty well, I'd say. Things were established, but not slammed down like most pilots.
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  14. RealWonderman

    RealWonderman Well-Known Member

    ABC’s The Muppets premiered on Tuesday to 8.9 million total viewers and a 2.8 demo rating, doubling the year-ago launch numbers for Selfie (4.9 mil/1.4) and trailing only The Voice in the demo for the night.

    The Muppets thus stands as ABC’s biggest series debut since How to Get Away with Murder.
  15. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    That's wonderful news!
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    That bothers me too. They keep going to great lengths to hide and remove all of the imperfections that you kind of lose a sense of the warmth and familiarity of the characters. So we used to could see rods before, so what? As long as the characters are in capable hands (no pun intended) and have life breathed into them by the performers who bring them to life for us to enjoy, then that's all that really matters. I mean, heck, Sid & Marty Krofft once had an act that flopped because you couldn't see the strings on their marionette.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    DAAAAAANNNG, yo! I was afraid Scream Queens and Redundant Terrorist Fighting Formula that only old people like would crush it in the ratings.

    Still..The Voice?! ehh.
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  18. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Something I hope gets added in future episodes is actual Muppet music. All we have is Imagine Dragons' "Rock Bottom". There was no theme song and I dunno if you could count Dr. Teeth's brief scatting or Dancing With the Czars as musical numbers.
  19. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    I disagree with that. I thought Kermit did well about standing up to Piggy about that. I mean, sure he went to apologize a few minutes later. But still, he didn't just stand there and take it.

    You have got a point though, some times Steve's Kermit is a bit more mellow than Jim's. But it does show that he has a good heart. I mean, not that it wasn't there when Jim played him, but you know what I mean.
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  20. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    I am glad the ratings were so high! Hopefully they can maintain that, though I doubt it with all those bad reviews out there. RottenTomatoes is down to a 60% for critics, but up to a 75% for audience ratings! Nonetheless, congrats to everyone involved!

    EDIT: I will just leave this here. It is Lisa Henson's thoughts on the show...

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