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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 102 - Hostile Makeover

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 29, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Hostile Makeover"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    hey if anyone sees the muppets tomorrow night please don't spoil things for the rest of us. I'm actually looking forward to the next episode, despite my complaints with this one.
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  2. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I'm going to say something I was told not to, but when talks of Muppets Most Wanted started brewing. Jim Lewis and Frank Oz where working on a movie script together. However Disney passed and went with Most Wanted.
  3. FoxWorthy

    FoxWorthy Well-Known Member

    Does anyone else find Kermit's facial expressions seem over done? It's as if they are happening too often.

    I'm enjoying the show, I wish I could say that I love it but I'm not there yet. Piggy's extreme mood swings seem much but I guess it's fitting with her classic character traits.

    I love seeing the Muppets back on TV, they are all so fresh and new and colourful! ;)
  4. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Yes they look absolutely beautiful on the new cameras!
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  5. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Correction: it was the 2011 movie that got greenlit in place of that proposed one, not MMW. :p
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  6. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Um no it was not........I was talking to Jim Lewis at the time and he told me. God why does everyone have to question everything I say or do on here.
  7. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    They weren't trying to be mean, but I do believe that the Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever (The Greatest Muppet Movie Ever) was being written before the 2011 "The Muppets", and Disney decided to progress with TM over the latter. Muppets Most Wanted was a completely different situation.
  8. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    So, he should emote less? Makes sense to me!
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  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Kermit's over the top expressions have been delighting internet meme-rs for years.

    Why not give them more fodder? :D

    Considering M11 was the second highest grossing Muppet Movie (not really much of a stretch), I can see why they went with the team that made that one. They couldn't help it that the public's interest cooled off, hipsters snark at the fact anything gets a sequel (because their formulaic indie film didn't get greenlit), and a mediocre tween post apocalypse prophecy knockoff film opened up opposite. I'd love to have seen the Lewis/Oz movie as a third film, but that's probably not going to happen. Unless this show does gangbusters, then it will be all like "This is on TV for free, why spend 10 bucks to see it in theaters?"

    That said, I really really really really really really really really (GASP) REALLY really really really hope that film wasn't "Cheapest." Let it go. I'm sure there's a reason Jim abandoned it. Unless it's divinely insanely inspired in a Monty Pythonish high concept way, it's going to come off as a 5 minute joke spread out to 90 minutes. Running out of money and having things get significantly cheaper will run out of steam well before the half way point. Then it would be unfairly compared to "Be Kind, Please Rewind." The Muppets didn't need something that's so high concept it scares off the casual audience. No matter what anyone's feelings on MMW is, I doubt that Gonzo running around remaking Bowfinger (a great Frank Oz film in its own right) would have been successful.
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  10. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Dwayne may have been referring to a different movie script. No title was mentioned.
  11. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    To be fair, that is a direction actors are often given, and I'm sure that includes Muppet performers as well. There's a balance. :)
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  12. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I would like to apologize to dwayne115 for being a little snippy the other day.
  13. LipsGF4Life

    LipsGF4Life Well-Known Member

    I loved it! Every detail! I loved when the band was performing "Dead Inside" when they went acoustic, but something tells me they didn't like it. I lvoed it especially when Lips FINALLY talked after so many years of silence! This is big in muppet history!
  14. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Exactly. Sorry, Dwayne, but it seems either Mr. Lewis misspoke or you misunderstood him.

    Because it WAS the 2011 movie that happened in place of whatever else was proposed. MMW was a completely separate thing since it was a sequel to the 2011 film, among other factors.
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  15. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    ok i know this is really off topic but don't gonzo and a few other muppets appear in an episode of the cosby show?
  16. Whatnot1988

    Whatnot1988 Well-Known Member

    OK, back on topic. I loved the joke about the "Acoustic Mayhem" in this episode, but...shouldn't someone tell Piggy and Josh that Zoot and Lips are already acoustic to begin with? IIRC the sax and trumpet, being wind instruments, are acoustic by default. (Aww, heck, I love this show so much I'm happy to overlook this oversight!)
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  17. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Ok fine your right. Give yourself a gold star and a slice of cheese. Dang can we talk about the show now?
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  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yup, the episode Cliff's Nightmare
  19. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I thought it was called the Cosby Show.
  20. WebMistressGina

    WebMistressGina Well-Known Member

    I have finally caught up and seen the first two episodes and...I'm in agreement with most in that this second episode was better than the first. I actually had some laugh out loud moments - curtesy of the Mayhem - but Kermit was the star in this one for me.

    Awesome sauce:

    The codes. "We've never been at Code Green" to "We're finally having a Code Green!" was the best. And I seriously want to see a Code Orange.

    Uncle Deadly, who I literally did not know of until 1. I came here and discovered he's a fan of our wonderful Count 2. After I saw 2011 Muppets and 3. watched the Alice Cooper episode (that's Deadly's episode, right?). His "tightly woven web of lies" and "shocking, she seems like such a delight" were delights of their own.

    The Mayhem. "Dr. Teeth, what was that song called?" "Dead Inside. We wrote it this morning." Almost had me in tears, as did the "gas station sushi". Other then the first three movies, the Mayhem's been kinda in the background, so it's cool to see them up front again.

    Kermit. OMG, I hope there's more Kermit deviousness in upcoming episodes cause he's totally enjoyable when he's scheming. The end of the episode where he's telling Piggy how as the only female host, she'll be showing everyone she can't do it without a man and then his little "bye bye" to Josh killed me. Oh, she may have driven him crazy, but no one knows Piggy better or would have her best interests at heart better than Kermit.

    Still Good:

    THe girl scout cookie thing was a little meh, but also funny, especially if you've ever done what Bobo and Newsie did. And by that I mean, were a child and made your parent sell your annual cookie/candy subscriptions for you. It was good to see Newsie back, but this B/C plot was okay. Funny, but okay.

    Sweetums birthday card. As Lisa and Bart Simpson said, I'm a part of the MTV generation, so I neither care or feel. Wait, no, reverse that. I actually wasn't all that offended with Zoot, probably cause everyone assumes he was drawing a wenis, but it doesn't mean he WAS. He could have easily been drawing a joint, with a message for Sweetums to enjoy a joke, take a smoke, and not go broke on his birthday. A giant doobie can also look...inappropriate. And it's Zoot, so yes he would draw that. All Yolanda was something appropriate - drugs on a b-day aren't really appropriate (depending on who's b-day).

    Piggy's bragging about Josh Groban in her fitting room. I mentioned this over in the fan fic thread, but we hardly ever ever see Piggy and Kermit being friends, usually because they go from hot to cold to hot like you turn on a light switch. Whether or not anything happened (because it is in Piggy's character to exaggerate or boast about things that may or may not be true), our diva excitedly speaking about her new guy is pretty normal.

    Telling it to Kermit, not as normal, unless you consider that perhaps Piggy counts Kermit as one of her closest friends (or she was trying to make him jealous. I'm in a little of column A and a little of column B). I've noticed that while Kermit has like three best friends (Fozzie, Gonzo, and Rowlf)(four, if you include Scooter), Piggy doesn't really have any close friends, period. That we know of and who are in the Muppets, that is. But if she did have a close friend or even a best friend, it seems to be Kermit.

    And speaking of, their free pass list. At first, I was like, "why do you have a free pass list?" before I went, "well, of course you do." I can just see this starting as an agrument before one or both of them said, "Fine! We'll make a list!" I actually would like to see this bit again, maybe in terms of a guest on the show. The two of them deciding how it would work -

    P: Number 5.

    K: I'll only give you number five if I get numbers 2 and 12.

    P: I would rather roast on a spit, over an open flame before I gave you number 2.

    K: And I would rather burn this entire studio to the ground before you got number 5. Which actually makes that roasting thing a little easier.

    If I saw that, the free pass list would move up to Awesome Sauce.

    The Yawn:

    Fozzie's B/C subplot. I'm with everyone else on the 'why is Jay Leno all mad about you taking a dish he originally stole himself?' but it could be a hypocrite dig - Leno isn't the first star who condemns people for doing things they themselves have done (Metallica, anyone?).

    And the girl scout cookie fight. Maybe more fighting, instead of Newsie making a quick exit.

    I'm looking forward to tomorrow's episode, though I have to ask - Where's Camilla? Last I heard, she and Gonzo were still pretty tight. Is this heartbreak hotel up in Up Late? I've heard through the grapevine that Rowlfie's in ep 3, along with the tavern, so it'll be cool to see it. I can see Rowlf running a tavern, especially given that it's across the street from the people he used to work with; that makes sense.

    Again, I'm with the others in that, it's not only nice to see those minor characters come back again (despite Pepe being marketed as huge, especially in the 2011 movie, he hasn't had a lot of screen time), as well as interaction with characters they hadn't been able to interact with before.

    Someone on an earlier page mentioned Fozzie as Piggy's sidekick, which seems to be more a Jimmy Fallon/Higgins relationship and maybe not the Andy/Conan that folks may have thought; I would actually love love LOVE to see these two interact more. In fact, Fozzie would be the perfect person for Piggy to let her guard down on; we know she's a jerk with a heart of gold and Fozzie's the perfect person that would exasperate her, but that also holds a sweet spot in her heart. I think Scooter or Gonzo would also fit, however the bear is the easiest and it's hard to be 'hard' on Fozzie when he tries like no body's business.

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