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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 102 - Hostile Makeover

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 29, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Hostile Makeover"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    i too want to see camilla again. gonzo and her have been together for so long and now she's disappeared. I hope nobody accidentally mistook her for lunch.. that would be very... dark.
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  2. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Well-Known Member

    Also concerned for Camilla! Forget the pig and frog, how could Gonzo and Camilla not be together.

    They had love in a laundromat, for goodness sakes.
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  3. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    According to Dave Goelz, Gonzo can pretty much walk up to any chicken of vague intelligence and call her Camilla if she shows the slightest bit of interest in him. Camilla is rather interchangeable.

    If Gonzo loses one Camilla to somebody's lunch, there's another Camilla at the farm ready to go!
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  4. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    So Camilla isn't the name of one character? My whole life is a lie..
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  5. AnnC002

    AnnC002 New Member

    Oh my gosh, that is a shocking fact I have never known.
    So every time we see "Camilla" with Gonzo, she probably is just another chicken!?
    Now I wonder the reason why he start online dating...
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  6. drteethcool

    drteethcool Well-Known Member

    Cant wait to watch the muppets tonight.
    I dont see why people are getting upset over Miss Piggy acting like a diva.
    She has always been a diva and acted like this.
    Plus the story of Miss Piggy and Kermit breaking up is not new they broke up in the 90's. or did I miss something.
    What do you all think ?
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  7. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    ...That is the most depressing thing I have ever read. :(
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  8. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Muppet Baby Gonzo was pretty devoted to Camilla, his stuffed animal toy.

    Muppet Show Gonzo was always more of a playboy. Like in the 30th anniversary special, he's sitting with "his girls" and mistakes the wrong chicken for Camilla and says, "Ugh, I can never tell, all chickens look alike!" :concern:
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  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Gonzo can't tell them apart and the ones that he calls Camilla usually go along with it. Maybe one of them broke up with him (or vice-versa) for the first time, unaware that he's been with many Camilla chickens.
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  10. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    I may be misremembering or combining different stories, but when I saw Dave Goelz give a talk a few years back he was commenting that there was not a specific Camilla puppet. They would grab any chicken and use it. Jerry Nelson always tried to use one with blue eye lids but it was not always available, so random chickens filled in. So Dave said jokingly all chickens look like Camilla to Gonzo. So I don't think it's a character trait or short coming just a joke about a behind the scenes issue with which of these dozen chickens did we use as Camilla in the last scene?
  11. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    So, to recap:

    Feminism, according to the muppets, means you are irrational, not very well-read, slutty, self-centered and easily misled. Got it. Girl power!

    On the other hand, Kermit's not portrayed much better. He's whiny, neurotic, self-centered and willing to pimp out his former girlfriend for personal gain, plus all of his friends for his own tenuous hold on relevancy in his field. He's producing a show for a person he doesn't ultimately respect or like and willing to expose his "true" friends (whom I have to assume is supposed to mean anyone other than Piggy) to ridicule and disdain, but--hey!--as long as he can still hang around Hollywood dating much younger girls, well--that makes it okay.

    Yuck. Blech. Ick.

    I'm saddened by what passes for "entertainment" today.
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  12. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, there was a moment in the 30 years special where Gonzo mistook another chicken for Camilla while Camilla was sitting next to him on the opposite side.
  13. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Yall do realize there was a new show tonight.
  14. WebMistressGina

    WebMistressGina Well-Known Member

    You say that like we live in a world without Kardashians and Real Housewives of whatever the heck it is this season, 15 years of American Idol, and where MTV - the first all music video station - never shows videos anymore.

    Oh and did I mention that Kim Kardashian is a best New York times selling author? For a book about images of her.

    What is your world like? It sounds delightful and I want to go there. Please? Please may I go there?
  15. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Yes. Didn't want to see it.
  16. Ruahnna

    Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    I am unable to understand what the Kardashians or the Real Housewives have to do with anything. Likewise American Idol. What point were you trying to make? Just because those things exist doesn't mean I have to watch them. Why would I? Surely we can ALL find something better to do with our time.

    I don't know if you'd actually like the world I live in. If you'd like to live in "my world," it would be a world where we TURN OFF the television when there's nothing on. The last show I watched (except news) was last November (yes--November of 2014) until "the muppets" came out. Despite my misgivings, based on the distasteful promo, I watched the premiere and found it to be every bit as puerile as it seems to be in the promos. It wasn't just childish--it was mean--down to the bone mean--and made me sad.

    I only watched the second episode because a friend told me that Kermit has a jealous rampage, and I thought, with brief hope, that perhaps the REAL Kermit had come back and all was right with the world again. Sadly, I watched only to find that Kermit's "jealousy" was only for his "property." If Piggy is actually happy and being influenced by someone whose presence threatens Kermit's ability to sponge a living off of her while making fun of her at every opportunity, well...that wasn't exactly what I thought it was going to be. What a disgustingly parasitic way to make a living.

    Disney doesn't care about the muppets, and it certainly doesn't care about the viewership of someone like me, who grew up with the characters and loves them. No--no--it's fine, because Disney's got a whole new crop of viewers who have been raised on sexual innuendo instead of humor and crassness instead of compassion. Just LOOK how positively gleefoul every has been about the fact that Kermit swore on the show. I know I sit around all day every day saying, "Oh my goodness--I sure do hope my favorite comedian manages to drop in some crass language! It will be so hilarious if he does!" Good grief, how childish can you get? Adult humor? Hardly.

    OMG! And how about Fozzie stealing? Wasn't that exciting? I mean, I was wondering when Fozzie was going to grow up and stop thinking that other people had a right to their own property. I mean, next week he can trash a store owner's business and maybe score some weed with the EM! Then I'll bet those uptight parents will see what a catch he is!

    What a sad come-down for a show that used to be edgy on its own terms--instead of everyone else's hand-me-down gimmicks. Jim's characters broke the fourth wall to the delight of everyone who saw them. These characters break the fourth wall to imitate other sitcoms and seem "current."

    Let the smarmy and the cynical rule the world and the airwaves--my world has BOOKS.
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  17. FoxWorthy

    FoxWorthy Well-Known Member

    Ruahnna, you make many good points and i agree with them. Though I am enjoying the new show, it does seem the purity and good nature or Kermit and many of the Muppets has changed.

    Miss Piggy being a 'psycho', Fozzy stealing, Kermit and Fozzy having a beer.......these are so not the Muppets that I grew up with as a child of the 80's. I miss Kermit's confidence and passion, (from the Muppet show days). Kermit's head is also too cone headed! Many people will grow up with Steve Whitmire's Kermit and may never come to know Jim's original. Don't get me wrong, Steve does a fine job and has adopted and adapted the character as his own....which is a natural process in puppeteering.
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  18. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    That sounds way too much like the uninformed idiotic views of the schmoes that don't understand the characters like the majority of us do. :rolleyes:
  19. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    If you understand the characters, you'd know that "idiotic" isn't the most Muppety word ever.
  20. FoxWorthy

    FoxWorthy Well-Known Member

    WoW! Just Wow! You don't know me at all, let alone enough to judge me like that. Apparently you have it all figured out! This will be the one and only time I ever respond to you. Your rudeness and judgement isn't worth any more of my time.

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