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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 102 - Hostile Makeover

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 29, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Hostile Makeover"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    it was never said it was implied by how they act,there lines, and there voices we just never noticed in the 80's and the 70's because, "WE WERE KIDS" .....

    but I am 34 years old and I notice things like that today when I watch the Muppets, I am Sure Jim Henson smoked pot I think he used to hang out with George Lucas and Spielberg at the American Zoetrope parties they used to throw in San Francisco in the 1960's If you guys know what I mean? :D
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2015
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  2. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Definitely! This show has featured some of the most polished puppetry I've seen in any Muppet production.
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  3. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    also fozie realizing what he did was wrong was a good thing and if he'd nicely told jay leno what had happened it could have led up to something heartwarming but they decided to REPEAT the 'I need a souvenir" joke and once again make him steal and then when jay tells him to leave he does it again! Beat that horse, it'll make it funnier!
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  4. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    Lady Warrior, I have an overall higher opinion of the show, but I think some of your points are spot on. Piggy's post snuggling of Josh Groban is certainly the most explicit furthest point I want the adult content to go. Yes the Muppet Show regularly featured Piggy (and sometimes Kermit or Fozzie) infatuated with a guest star, but this was a bit carnal. And I guess if we are supposing the private lives of puppets I would assume the whole band has experienced marijuana, but I agree Zoot is the stoner of the bunch. And a lovable one at that. And I don't think he would draw something inappropriate in fact he may have difficulty signing his name - now that's a G/PG option to prompt Pepe he could fill in Zoot's signature and all the rest. Pepe's "Gender is fluid" line did not bother me at all. Don't many sea creatures have this as a genetic trait to survive? In any event it's in character.

    The positives:
    Big Mean Carl is the receptionist. The job he is least suited for. I LOVE it.

    Uncle Deadly is perfect.

    We see a slightly complete musical number.

    All of the chaos surrounding Piggy's moods. Code Red. Code Green. All of these folks have worked with her for decades they know what's what.

    The Newsman is awesome. I am so glad they have him in the show as a "Newsman" across the lot rather than the follow spot operator on Piggy's show. And as for that ex-wife - watch the Steve Martin episode. In several scenes of the audience The Newsman is seen canoodling with a female whatnot (the Wanda puppet but not Wanda) so his marital problems may have stemmed from that.

    Lips speaks. Was his face a bit more green than yellow?

    Josh Groban gets a gold star aside from being a velvet voiced piano god he was willing to play the bad guy opposite Kermit. That is not a wise thing to do, so thanks for poking fun at yourself.
  5. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    I laughed so Hard at Bobo's line "Screw the Mountain Bike, my Daughter's getting a Prius!" JUST HILARIOUS!!!

    I love it when Bill Barretta gets a little naughty with his characters!
  6. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    Don't forget about the amazing puppetry in the scene where Kermit jumps on Josh! the way they hid the arm sleeve was incredible!
  7. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    What's not to love about this episode! Everything was just so good! Loved Uncle Deadly, and The Newsman! Lips getting a line was icing on the cake! I can't wait till next week and to see what's in store for future episodes!
  8. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    I am a bit on the fence with this one. Jim was involved in season one of SNL. If ever there was a set where drugs were in use (not by all) but by some (a lot). To me the Mayhem was always cool and cool without drugs because their coolness came from within. Zoot, to me was the exception, and he is my favorite Muppet. They laid a lot of implicit groundwork that he was a stoner. "Zoot's skipped a grove again". While it does not blow my illusion of the Mayhem that they all partook, I am on the fence of it all as a whole.
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  9. TwoHeadedLlama

    TwoHeadedLlama Well-Known Member

    The EM being stoners jokes I kind of understand, I just hope they don't reduce the members of the band to just 'hahaha stoners'. But Zoot drawing bad pictures on birthday cards just didn't sit well with me. It seemed very out of character, like others have said. And I'm kind of wondering how the writers came to the conclusion that Zoot would do something like that? Like "Ok, Zoot's kind of out of it, that means he draws dirty pictures on things." I mean, that's middle school kid behavior, not stoner/hippie behavior.

    Other than that, much better episode than last week. Just hoping the more off color jokes don't get out of hand. Disney has a bit of a history with those.
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  10. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    Clapd madly* exactly exactly! You got what I meant exactly! The Mayhem needs to have more respect than just being reduced to a pile of junk food eating drug junkies I mean it's really a disservice to the group. Why reduce them to a one note dead horse joke?
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  11. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I haven't seen this one yet, but I already heard about Lips' line in the spoilers thread.

    As for whether the whole Electric Mayhem are stoners or just Zoot, I've often thought of them all as stoners, but thought of Zoot as being the biggest stoner of them all. Like, the rest smoke more or less occasionally, Zoot does the most frequently.
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    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    Jim Henson was a Hippy there is no way around that, so it makes sense that he would make his characters reflect himself, heck even sesame street had drug references that went right over kids heads and were done tastefully by changing words to songs and such in pop culture ....
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  13. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    o... are you implying ALL of the muppets smoke pot? Given your logic there.... :/

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    what if I was what would be wrong with that?

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    most of my friends and family smoke pot and my family are all huge hippies who love the Grateful dead, all my friends and family are really nice peaceful people!
  16. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I am not even going down that rabbit trail. also please don't quote yourself. Just edit your previous post.
    Also... I am glad they had a musical number on the show with muppets singing and uncle deadly getting to speak was cool

    also I didn't notice lips saying anything. Where did he talk? O.O darn it! I missed that part.
  17. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    Uh.. I don't think Jim was a hippy..
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    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    i accidentally quoted myself I meant to edit, my bad.

    so you don't think Jim was a hippy?,


    he practically looks like David Grisman,

    Last edited: Sep 29, 2015
  19. mariobros612

    mariobros612 New Member

    This is honestly how I thought it would play out, but Leno getting mad at Fozzie was really weird.
  20. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    errr darth just because a person looks like some hippie doesn't mean they are. my dad used to look like a hippie but he WASN'T! Don't judge on appearances. :(

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