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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 102 - Hostile Makeover

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Sep 29, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Hostile Makeover"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

  2. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

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  3. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well that's what we've been talking about. There's a difference between clever implication and just outright saying it, hoping for a cheap shock.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Free from the exposition of the first episode, this series is beginning to show its real potential. And this episode was all the better for it.

    Of note:

    Yolanda is becoming a great character. I really hope we see more of her, as she's the perfect counterpart to Rizzo, and the fact that we need more naturally occurring female roles in the Muppets overall.

    While it seems a small group of characters fits the roles of Piggy's production staff, there will always be room for more favorite characters, like how they managed to get Newsman in there. And I'm glad they did, he was hilarious.

    No doubt some will be annoyed and or offended by Kermit's mental trauma of years working with (and dating) Piggy. I personally love it. There is no way that anyone can put up with her more intense moments and not come out a little twisted.

    Fozzie's B story was adorable. Fozzie clearly meant no malice from taking souvenirs, and Jay said he did the same exact thing. It's not so much the fact he was too stupid and therefore did the same thing again twice so much as the fact he wasn't caught the first time and thought he could get away with it. If the guilt wasn't killing him inside, I'd think its almost out of character. Also, him thinking the appointment book was Jay's joke book was delightful.

    Gonzo has a mother?! I'd say he's probably adopted.

    Bobo is just as his wonderful Bobo-est right here. Glad to see Bobo still in the picture, as well as Big Mean Carl.

    On the subject of the EM being potheads... that's an old jazz musician stereotype well before it became a rock star stereotype. I wouldn't doubt that the joke about them being on the stuff was one of those jokes passed around the writing staff that they didn't make blatantly obvious in their writing. That said, I wouldn't be surprised that the fact the band is aging they have prescriptions for it. Dr. Teeth strikes me as someone who's suffering from glaucoma and or diabetes in his older age.

    I get the feeling that the cookie joke could have had a different punchline, but Disney wouldn't allow them. And if you're a Muppet fan, the joke should be painfully obvious.

    Laurence's line somehow should have came out of Statler and Waldorf.

    And this episode gives us our first glimpse of a sketch (or song, rather) being used in the context of the show. And it's glorious. Much better than the tacked on Imagine Dragons bit last time.
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Because that's what makes implications like that funny. ;)
  6. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Overall, I found this episode to be a lot better than the previous, getting a lot more laughs from me especially. I particularly enjoyed the subplot with Fozzie stealing Jay Leno's candy dish as a keepsake (and the punchline at the end), as well as several other secondary Muppets getting their fair share of screen time (Lew Zealand, Bobo, Newsman, etc.).
  7. LinkLady77

    LinkLady77 Well-Known Member

    I burst out laughing when they showed the picture of Piggy with Josh Groban at the People's Choice Awards and Piggy's white gloved hand is covering Josh's face! Her reaction to the Josh Groban Presents: Up Late With Miss Piggy sign is also priceless...when Piggy curls and crumples her snout when she is REALLY angry, everybody run for cover!! I'm still waiting to see Link and Strangepork though...maybe next week?
  8. AlittleMayhem

    AlittleMayhem Well-Known Member

    That was one of the highlights of the whole series and it's only the second episode! Everything about those few seconds was just mesmerising! It looked so so real! I hope we get to find out how they did that and the tour from the first episodes. This show is really pushing what puppetry can do, even if it's really simple things.

    While I'm on the subject, is it me or does Kermit's face get better and better with each year! Kermit's expression at "What is going on?!" Is so brilliant and inventive!

    Actually, you're kinda right. Aparently Jim Henson did try drugs at least once in his lifetime because he wanted to see what it was like and see if he could get any creative inspiration from the experience. However, after he tried it, he found it surprisingly boring and never went back. I'm not entirely sure if it actually happened or not, but it's still one of my favourite celebrity stories.
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  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm inclined to agree. I HATED it when The Simpsons took burnout character Otto from "probably a pot head" to "does every drug there is." Among other reasons, drugs outside of pot kinda effect you a little more harsh than being a burnout. Bad enough there's still that Pot= LSD mentality, but the "all drugs are essentially the same and have the same burn out effects" thing is unforgivable. That's 1980's hysteria type thinking.

    Then again, we're talking "The Simpsons" which coined the term Flanderization for a reason. As long as this show doesn't go that deep into character derailment, I've no problem. The Muppets keeps everything to code words that go over kid's heads, while merely referencing the college kid urban rumor levels.
  10. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I thought this episode was an improvement over the previous one. I felt the characters were a bit too mean in the first episode (Piggy, Scooter and Kermit especially), but everything was fine here (other than a heightened-for-comediec-effect freakout from Piggy).

    I kinda wish they did something to develop Josh Groban's part more. Kermit calls him evil before he does the worst of his personality (thinking the world would be better if everyone were like him).

    I liked the Fozzie storyline. I don't see why him stealing things the way he did was a character issue. He was just so excited; he meant no harm by anything.

    I'm not a big fan of the "legally now" joke. The only down note in the whole Bobo storyline; I loved the Newsman and Carl's involvement.

    But this episode was much funnier than the last and I hope things improve from there.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah. The "Legally Happy now" joke seemed like it was shoehorned in the episode when it flowed more naturally in the pre-pilot pitch. Not to mention the trailer joke decay.

    I'm surprised no one made a big deal about Lips. With all this "where's Lips?" "why is there no Lips in the band?" "why isn't the show called 'Lips is in the Muppets?'" after all, you'd think more of the fans would have freaked the beak out that he actually appeared and got a line in.
  12. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Lips is back with the Muppets? And he spoke an actual line in this episode?
    You wouldn't have known it from reading the reactions of everyone who's posted in this thread in the previous three pages. *Insert sarcasm Muppet smilie.
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  13. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    Well I didn't know he had a line because it must have been something that happened real fast and I wasn't paying enough attention. I'm surprised Leah's noty on this thread having a fangirl spazz about it... come to think of it. where IS leah? I haven't seen her around the forum lately. Is she okay?

    wait a minute... the band is on MEDICATION?! o_o NUUUUUUUUU I don't want teeth to be a disease riddled old codger. :(
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That doesn't entirely bother me, but for a weird reason. One time I had a dream that my Dad was upset about arthritis in the hand and Dr. Teeth (stay with me here) encouraged him that there was still hope, lol.
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I was absolutely blown away by this episode, and thought it was miles better than both the pilot and test pilot. I was actually laughing this time, and just being in awe of the densely packed craft of every scene. So much is going on in the background you need to watch it a couple times to really enjoy all the antics.

    Loved how utterly prominent Big Carl and Uncle Deadly is, LOVED how the Muppets wear different clothes every day like actual people. The colors of the Muppets and their adorable real world clothes really pop against the drab white and grey of their office. Love the fact they got rid of all the 70s clothes many were still sporting til now. Loved that Fishburne cameo. Loved how much Gonzo/Rizzo/Pepe/Yolanda there is. First time we have a Muppet show with more female leads than just Piggy. (Yolanda and Denise, and Im hoping more)

    And Scooter...Scooter is too perfect! Who knew he'd end up becoming one of the main 5 next to Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie and Gonzo? The Newsman/Bobo cookie rivalry was too perfect...Newman in different suits! Aww, I am in total disbelief and awe at how much Im loving this
  16. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I guess I am in the minority this time around when it comes to this episode. I did not really enjoy it aside from kermit's antics and bobo's subplot. I thought the episode was worse than the episode from last week for reasons I named previously. and YES I know this is aimed more toward adults but I have this ache in my heart at how some of the "humor" is being done. :( and I am not watching this show through some weird lense or whatever yo're going to claim I just don't LIKE some stuff. Like I said some of the humor just feels like something middle school boys would do to be "edgy". It's just annoying. I mean is it wrong to want the muppets to hold some kind of STANDARDS?!
    Wasn't that the whole point of "The Muppet Movie" to prove muppets were relevant and didn't need to change into some kind of raunchy shells of themselves?
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  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Certainly with the band it's like the writers watched an episode of Robot Chicken and thought "OK that works, Page 1 is done!"

    Indeed and that's oddly been the vibe of a lot of more recent Muppet projects. Like suddenly sentimentality isn't cool. And then other times they go too far in the other direction where it's all wholesome and bland.
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  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I wanted to quote this specifically. You're absolutely right. The vibe of The Muppet Movie is the gang uncompromising their way to success. This new show's vibe feels like, "Hey, we all think this is stupid, cause we're hip and edgy and sentimentality is lame!" Remember that alternate universe in VMX? I think this is the real one, lol.
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  19. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

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  20. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    and I am aware muppets weren't always hoopdy doopdy "we are wholesome as whole wheat toast! happy happy day!" I've seen the muppet show they can be mean to each other on there and be very snarky *cough floyd pepper* but they also showed they cared and there were heartwarming moments that proved even if they snark with each other they appreciate each other even miss piggy. She's a diva, vain and has a bad temper but she does CARE.
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