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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 104 - Pig Out

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Oct 13, 2015.


What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Pig Out"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    I'm going to have to disagree there. Ever since "The Muppet Show" days, Kermit was good matured, but when the other Muppets got out of line, he had to do what it took to keep them under control even if it meant losing his cool every once in a while. Just think of how you would feel if you were a boss and everyone came into the office late because of being drunk at a party. I think Kermit does all he can to handle these situations.

    Yeah. I've noticed that too and that's a disappointment because that's always been sort of his thing. They really need to bring back his 'okays.'

    Well, that would make Charlie Brown foulmouthed then.

    I have subtitles on my TV. Statler DID say it!
    I thought the word he used was 'arse.' At least according to the captioning on my TV, that's what it was.

    Before he's gone and I'm at the front of the line. Lol. Couldn't resist there.

    I can't help but wondering though if the reason we haven't seen Denise that much lately is because Kermit still has feelings for Miss Piggy. We'll have to see what the future has in store for the two of them and what will happen with Denise. You never know.
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2015
  2. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

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  3. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    for those saying that statler finally has a lot of screentime I want to point out in one of the episodes of the muppet show he had a huge storyline where he had a crush on one of the guest starts and went backstage to give her a plant that kept growing as the episode progressed.

    also I have said this before I am AWARE the muppets do drink booze. Rowlf mentioned drinking beer after work in the muppet movie so that has NEVER been a problem. What I do have a problem is is ALL OF THEM being so completely irresponsible going out get sauced beyond recognition (makes no sense and dr. teeth should KNOW better because he DRIVES THE ELECTRIC MAYHEM'S BUS! and I am freaked out imagining them getting into some kind of accident) and then showing up to work the next day hung over and being JERKS by making fun of Kermit because he wanted them to act responsibly.
    He was rightfully mad though the way he handled it with miss piggy rubbed me the wrong way.
    On a much better note I LOVE Uncle Deadly's clothing choices. They look so victorian and PERFECT for his character. Also him drinking wine instead of beer, so sophisticated! There are lots of reasons he's one of my favorites. I am wondering though... if he a ghost dragon phantom? I mean every time they show him there's a breeze or something blowing his facial hair around. In TMS when he said he was "killed by the critics" did he mean literally or figuratively? I dunno it just feels to me all this time he's a ghost muppet. I have no idea.
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  4. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    I would need to watch the scene again to determine if all of them were drinking heavily or just some. Bunsen and Beaker announce their intent to and Yolanda and Pepe were suffering the consequences of. Ed Helms bought Janice a drink. And clearly there was more, but off the top of my head I cannot say for certain. If Zoot is in recovery as is implied in episode 1 I would be more upset if he had one drink rather than any of the others having 1 too many. It is true that when people go out to karaoke there usually is alcohol involved to get them relaxed and loose enough to sing, but these are the Muppets they break into song at the drop of a hat. So I wonder for example if Scooter's accident with his glasses wasn't alcohol induced but just over exuberance. And as for all of them showing up late - sure some of them were recovering from hangovers, but if your boss (or one of your bosses) said Come in at 2 tomorrow I bet you would use that time to sleep in or run errands etc.
  5. MuppetGuy75

    MuppetGuy75 Well-Known Member

    Karaoke with the Muppets was AWESOME! Seriously, I want to join that party next time! ;):D:hungry::attitude::confused::eek::shifty::concern:
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  6. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    Every time I hear Fozzie and Piggy it's like I'm hearing a parody of them. And I finally figured out what's wrong with the Fozzie puppet. His cheekbones are too big or something. He looks like a clown.


    I know the subject's been beaten over the head, but why are they constraining the Muppets by trying to turn them into human characters? Just because The Office was popular? It makes me think, what if the characters weren't the Muppets? Like they haven't been taking advantage of "The Muppets". But this episode definitely retained some of the old Muppet magic, so the complaints are few and far between.

    Piggy thinks the crew are losers; why does she want to go out with them? It makes perfect sense though. She may act like she doesn't like them, but the Muppets are all she has. They're the only thing that's been permanent in her life and have always been there for her. The whole Kermit trying to get them to ask was just weird. They knew what was going on, she knew what was going on, so what was the point?

    The :attitude: + :flirt: thing, definitely unexpected but it could have gone either way. The Sam we know would have just been like "eww, hippie-weirdo", but him liking her is what makes this show so different than The Muppet Show. This show is delving deep into the personalities of these characters, something that has rarely been done before, save Kermit, Piggy and maybe Fozzie, whereas The Muppet Show was just zany antics. Most of the characters other than Kermit and Piggy just had one straightforward personality.

    The Piggy chorus girl thing was a nice call-back to The Muppet Show.

    Random thought: it would be kind of cool if Kermit had someone to report to, like above him and Piggy (I don't even know who's higher in rank). Like when he was blowing off steam to the camera after Piggy said yes to going out with the crew I thought he was talking to one of his superiors or something. After finishing the episode, this is something this show really needs. It isn't clear who's in charge, Kermit or Piggy? One day Kermit should walk into an office and from around a swivel chair turns J.P. Grosse or something. Hopefully one day this show gets that far into its life, because I feel like they need to introduce more aspects of the inner-workings of 'the show'. I guess Kermit's 'the boss' and Piggy's the star, but it would be cool to see Kermit's own struggles of having to report to someone himself.

    It also felt good to just have one guest star.

    I don't get why Piggy sided so easily with Kermit towards the end though, about not hanging out with them anymore. He should've had to have given her something or made some kind of compromise, but by the same token, Kermit could have just fired their irresponsible butts. :D

    A little too much for one episode though. There should have at least been a scene explaining to us how Statler healed so quickly, because I was just left totally dumbfounded when Fozzie came back and he was already gone.

    I'm not gonna lie, I could've done without the Sam and Janice plot-line too. It could've saved a little time to make the two other stories make more sense plus towards the end it was starting feel overdone, like it made me realize someone like Sam could never really like her. Plus, she has always been Floyd's girl to me. Maybe a showdown between Sam and Floyd is impending, or they may just act like this has never happened in future episodes. Haven't Sam and Floyd had beef in the past? I feel like they could play really well off one another in a argument-type scenario. I actually think they interacted heavily in the Sex & Violence pilot. It was them and Nigel running the show or something, speaking of characters they should bring back...
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2015
  7. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

  8. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    Don't remind of how good the Muppets were. I'm not taking shots at the new show, but they aren't even in the same league.

    Two great points!
  9. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    well if they didn't make them act so immature.,...

    my mother got to see an episode of the show last night. Now while she used to watch the muppet show when it was first airing she hadn't really been much into muppets so her view of the new vs the old is not the same as some of us. she said "That show is dumb". I told her "the muppet show was dumb too" and said "it wasn't as dumb as that."
    I rest my case.
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  10. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Ok finally saw the show,and I have to say I'm split right down the middle 50-50. I loved the karaoke scene! Everyone seemed like one big happy family. Could have done with out all the drinking. I always thought the Muppets knew how to be wild and crazy without getting drunk. Piggy was finally likable for the first time in a long time.
    Fozzie was sweet and i loved that hit I watched that five times in s row, very funny.
    Now forthe main thingI did not like. Piggy and the rest of the Muppets where happy and getting along,when Kermit has to break up the fun. Is it me or is this a pattern that when Piggy is happy everone but Kermit is happy, but when Kermit is happy everyone is miserable? If that is the case then as someone else mentioned I don't think they understand Kermit at all.
    I'm also worried about how this Sam and Janice thing is going to play out. If you ask me it felt more award then funny. So I don't really know how I would like to see that continue.
    All in all I loved some of the show, and hated other parts. I miss Kermit, I feel like this is a combination of Constentene, and Pepe, but not Kermit. So I hope some things change, but I do love some things.
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  11. FunnyBear

    FunnyBear Well-Known Member

  12. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    2.9 to 2.0 to 1.7 to 1.3 is not good, huge declines, the timeslot thing is irrevelant to the fact that it lost more than 50% of its audience in four episodes, it still has a chance, if it goes up, but below a 1.2, and it is dead meat, sadly.
  13. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    well even with my complaints about the show I'm sticking it out. but i think the whole skipping it next week for great pumpkin won't help it.
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  14. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I think one reason that less people are watching, is for the fact that the marketing for this show was based on Kermit and Piggy's breakup. Then in the first show we see the breakup and how it has affected them both. The last three shows however have not dealt with there breakup as much, and I think that was what people wanted to see. Everyone loves the frog and pig relationship whether it is in it's highs or lows. That is what people wanna see, and they are not.
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  15. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    IMHO the ratings are slipping because people want to see the Muppets. They aren't getting that. They are getting The Office with puppets. Any body here is going to watch it regardless. But the casual fan, the nostalgic fan, people like Ladywarrior's mom, are expecting to see the Muppets they knew. ABC promoted the heck out of this show. That drew a big audience the first night as people were curious and wanting to see the Muppets again. They tuned in each subsequent episode hoping still to see the Muppets. As each episode airs they are realizing they aren't going to get the Muppets of yesteryear and slowly turning elsewhere. Bad news is they are not watching the show. The good news is that it shows there is still an appetite for the Muppets. Will ABC and the writers get this though and amend the direction they are taking the Muppets?

    Just my 2 cents worth.
  16. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Here's a good ratings comparison for the muppets

    The Goldbergs went from 3.1 to 2.2 to 1.9 to 1.6, similar to the muppets, the fifth episode went up, let's hope the muppets does the same.
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  17. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well we are still only 4 shows in. So hopefully with trial and error and the faith that ABC has in the Muppets. They can gain some viewers instead of loss them. Remember we still have Christmas coming up, and if it is one thing the Muppets know how to do it's celebrate Christmas.
  18. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I sure hope you're right.
  19. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I loved the A story and chemistry, didn't care for the obligatory Fozzie B-story(please tell me Fozzie is every b-story focus?) I liked Sam's crush on Janice. The part where Sam is doing a karaoke devoted to Janice, but Janice is on her phone is so spot on regarding society today. Scooter without glasses? Loved the gimmick.

    Loved how Ed Helms tried to swoon Pam by singing the Muppet movie song on his banjo, and here he is mentioning how he plays banjo to the Muppets. Also loved they were singing to The B-52s Love Shack, and referenced Chuck E Cheese.

    But man...people were taking to twitter and facebook to complain about Electric Mayhem being recreation pot smokers? Last night almost the entire Muppet crew got smashed. Not buzzed or drunk but straight up smashed. Pepe still drunk at lunchtime was pretty funny tho.

    Two more things:
    - The morning meetings are my fave segment of the new series

    - Very happy how many women are at the forefront of the new series
    (besides Piggy, Yolanda and lately Janice) ...and hopefully back soon, Denise.

    I just wish the human workers who work with the Muppets had speaking roles.
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  20. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I don't think any of the classic couples are together anymore. It's definitely clear Kermit/Piggy and Gonzo/Camilla are no longer a thing. So wouldn't be surprised if Janice and Floyd are no longer together. Pretty much guessing she's not with Floyd given how Ed Helms was wooing her the whole night.

    They rebuilt so many TMS era classic characters for the 2011 movie, that I'm hoping some of them at least get a cameo. Which would include the second most famous TMS couple, Wayne and Wanda.:)

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