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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 105 - Walk the Swine

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Oct 27, 2015.

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What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Walk the Swine"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Tonight make plans to watch "The Muppets" new episode "Walk the Swine" at 8|7c on ABC. Then join the discussion immediately afterwards in the Muppet Central Forum.

    Episode 105 - "Walk the Swine"

    The feud between Miss Piggy and Reese Witherspoon heats up when they volunteer for Habitat for Humanity. Meanwhile, Fozzie and his girlfriend have problems.

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  2. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    Huh…..okay. Let’s discuss this:

    Firstly, yet again I was so happy to see an odd pairing being explored. Rizzo and Scooter are an interesting dynamic to explore. The writers are certainly willing to try these kind of new match-ups and for that I applaud them.

    However while it was cool to get an idea of Rizzo’s stingy family, I didn’t particularly like the way Rizzo handled the situation. Scooter also fell flat when he was doing so well the past few episodes. I mean, yeah, Scooter keeps going back to the same terrible optometrist to get his eyes checked, so it makes sense that Rizzo could take advantage of Scooters passiveness. But come on, really?

    Secondly, I didn’t even care that Beccy was back. The whole C-plot of Fozzie using his girlfriend’s quirks just to get cheap laughs is an overused plotline that has been used multiple times in other sitcoms, namely Seinfeld. The Muppets have always been able to take an overused bit like that and present it in a new and funny way, but this time it simply didn’t work. The way the plot was resolved was pretty predictable and boring as well.

    Miss Piggy vs Witherspoon:

    My Henson, I really wanted to get on board with Piggy, but I just couldn’t do it! What the heck was that? Eric Jacobson was the sole reason why I didn’t just skip over this A-plot. Reese held herself quite well, but again Piggy really suffered. Apologising by a song-and-dance number was completely back-handed, but I suppose that’s just how Piggy does things, right? Would it have killed them to just let her be a decent pig this one time?

    Kermit:

    While he wasn’t prominent in this episode, Kermit was one of two characters who were somewhat redeeming. He dealt with Piggy’s nonsense at the beginning of the show in a very quiet and professional manner. And when he decided to give Piggy a chance to apologise to Reese on the show, Kermit really wanted to believe that she was capable of doing the right thing. I was cringing along with him during the second interview and completely agreed when he said, “I really hope those two words are ‘I’m sorry’!”

    Redeeming Moments/Aspects:

    · Uncle Deadly was the second character I felt was handled perfectly! Matt Vogel really does wondrous things with Deadly’s lip movements and the articulation of his speech is vibrant and never dull! I would eagerly listen to an audiobook narrated by this particular Muppet.

    · Zoot is this week’s King of Comic Timing. Playing ‘True Colours’ during Fozzie’s talking-head was a cute little gag I kinda enjoyed.

    · I love how they are continuing to do new things to expand Kermit’s repertoire of expression and movement. There was some great gesticulation (sorry Sam!) and facial expressions as Kermit watched the first interview with Witherspoon go downhill!

    · SAM STANDING BY IN CASE SOMETHING GOES WRONG! What was going to happen if he had pressed that button???

    · The puppetry in the ‘I’m Sorry’ number was brilliant. I know that it really was just a matter of digitally removing a green-clad Eric from the screen, but it was pulled off wonderfully. The Electric Mayhem were also performed with much enthusiasm and you can tell the performers were just having fun with it!

    · Eric Jacobson was a godsend this episode, despite everything he rode it out and gave nothing less than 100%. The musical number was ludicrous, but Eric was marvellous and nailed every second! He is definitely this weeks MVP (Most Valuable Puppeteer)!

    I really don’t want to be so negative about the show, but this episode really didn’t do it for me. I hope other people enjoyed it more than I did!
     
  3. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    First of all, it's about time that they finally credited the additional Muppet performers. This episode was very good. Finally, Kermit got to work with her celebrity crush. Piggy's apology musical number was great. The plot with Fozzie and Becky was funny. I liked Fozzie getting emotional over True Colors and Zoot playing it on the saxophone. The plot with Scooter and Rizzo was fun.
     
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  4. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Thoughts on this episode.

    1 Walk the Swine, reference to a Johnny Cash line, and the Hollywoodized biopick of the singer which played a role in the actual episode. This was clever and good planning since Piggy's guest was Rees Witherspoon.
    2 Loved Uncle Deadly at the beginning getting his coffee order and dishing gossip with Kermit. Uncle D may be head of wardrobe on Up Late but I really like how he's becoming a main source on backstage happenings.
    3 True Colors apparently makes Fozzie very emotional... And I chuckled at :cool: getting in on the act, which makes Fozzie say that song's even more hauntingly beautiful on sax.
    4 This exchange.
    Becky: "So says the shrimp who's dressed in a turtleneck and gold pants, you look like you belong in a BoysIIMen video."
    :rolleyes: "Hey, ju dress for the job ju really want."
    Now that's good snarky banter.
    5 The running plot about ;) going to different relatives of :shifty: after his car troubles... Did that get a proper resolution other than Scooter huffing at Rizzo that he'd take care of it himself with his own insurance company?
    *Hopes he got that insurance from Flo.

    Unfortunately, the rest of the episode makes me re-evaluate the current direction, it kind of returned to "mean Muppets".
    Fozzie seems to have indulged his inner Don Rickles aiming new material at Becky's personal habits, which led to her retaliating with the True Colors bit. Although I did like Pepe's line of how Fozzie was being romantic by making an entire room of peoples miserable just for her when the bear went back to his regular material, but that entire outcome was predictable. Including the stinger at the end of the episode where he goes on about her big feet. This might probably the beginning crack for the eventual split between them, probable outcome of the writers not knowing what to do with Becky as a character.

    The feud between Rees and Piggy. Typical divaness. Piggy telling Kermit she'd join Habitat for Humanity just to show up Rees was the perfect reason to join the charity organization, and then how she basically spoke for Kermit when he was trying to make her see reason, just pure pettiness which I didn't like. Continue that on to filming at the construction site... This was a missed opportunity where they could have harkened back to some TMTM referencial humor. Piggy dropping her voice just to promote herself and make Rees look bad is more of that pettiness.

    Yes, there was the one moment where Piggy secluded herself in her dressing room and we got a true admission of self-disgust over her actions causing the construction site to fall down... But what did that get us? A big musical production where even in saying "I'm Sorry" Piggy treats it as a petty competition.

    As far as I'm concerned, this episode gets a 3 out of 5 frogs, middle of the pack plot, "mean Muppets", and not much true laughs from me.
     
  5. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    So another decent episode with some signs that point well for the future of the show. Another Piggy/female celebrity feud, but I think we're beginning to see why she does these things. It's clear she's insecure of her place in the Hollywood scene and worries that people are going to outshine her, that any female actress is competition and someone she can't really relax near. So it's natural for her to want to seem like the biggest star and that blinds her to how she's really acting. We saw the other side to that today and hopefully it's something they can explore more. Will the show go in this direction? Who knows, but it's there for the taking.

    The other plotlines were all right, nothing special but they had some good lines and I liked all of Rizzo's different relatives. Plus, seeing Muppets drive is always going to be hilarious. I love that Rizzo drives some bombed-out Jeep.
     
  6. Mo Frackle

    Mo Frackle Well-Known Member

    Pretty much agree with everything that's been said so far. Decent episode, some flaws to be sure. But the energy is certainly present throughout.
     
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  7. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    As Jim&Frank pointed out above... Uncle Deadly as the narrator for an audio book? Yes please!
    Hey Disney, why haven't you gotten Uncle Deadly to do a reading of Madame Leotta's séance chant already? ! ?
    *Insert Uncle Deadly "maniacal" smilie.
     
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  8. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Active Member

    what this episode lacked in laughs it made up for in substance, I loved the fact that it had three plots thrown together!!!!!!!!!
     
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  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Im really afraid the average vewiers are going to grow very tired of the Piggy rivalrys if they don't give them more emotion. I have not even see the show yet but by the reaction of folks here that seems to be whats going to happen.
     
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  10. DARTH MUPPET

    DARTH MUPPET Active Member

    I would like to see an episode where Piggy and Kermit hook up again and start dating, there are so many ways they could write that...
     
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  11. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    BTW, this was the first episode to not recycle a joke from the pilot. So that was nice.
     
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  12. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    That's interesting information. I was wondering how they did that full-body Piggy scene in the musical number.
     
  13. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    I really don't like Miss Piggy in this show. She is completely and utterly selfish, I don't like it. I mean sure she has always had a bit of a big head but she at least cared about the people around her especially the other Muppets. Miss Piggy was a character who always did what she did to stay on top but rarely at the expense of the other Muppets but when she did their were often consequences. While Miss Piggy always loved Kermit more than anything she still had a relationship with the other characters and deeply cared about them. On the Muppet Show and the Muppet movies she was a part of the family, and I really miss that about her.
     
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  14. Daffyfan2003

    Daffyfan2003 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I see what you mean and it wasn't just on this show, it was on "Good Luck Charlie," in interviews. (Piggy recently stated on a talk show that the other Muppets were Kermit's friends, not hers.) I agree that she has been flanderized over the past few years. It's no wonder Kermit broke up with her.

    That's possible too. After all, we haven't seen Denise in so long it makes me wonder if Kermit is still dating her. :confused:
     
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  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    So far this is one of my least-favorite episodes, along with Bear Left Then Bear Right (I guess there's something about episodes where most of the action focuses on single characters away from the show). After seeing the promos I wasn't expecting this one to be great. But not every episode of a great show can be great.

    There were a lot of things that I liked, though. I liked the Scooter and Rizzo subplot. And Miss Piggy's "I'm Sorry" number was amazing. Was this an original song?

    On Muppet Wiki it was pointed out that this is the first episode to have "Additional Muppet Performers" credits. I've also noticed that this is the first episode where Juliane Bruscher doesn't perform any speaking roles.

    In fact, I've noticed quite a few main characters don't appear in this one. Statler and Waldorf don't appear at all (I'm surprised they weren't heckling Fozzie at either of his performances). Beaker's not in it, either (although it's not really rare to see either of them without the other, when was the last time we saw Bunsen appear in something that Beaker didn't appear in?). Before the show aired, I thought it might be good if they didn't have every major character appear in every episode (after all, The Muppet Show had plenty of episodes without certain main characters, with Kermit and Waldorf being the only ones to actually appear in every episode), so I guess we're starting to get that.

    I felt like Fozzie's jokes about Becky weren't funny at all. In fact, I laughed more at his jokes that didn't get any laughs from the audience. I wonder if the standard plotline of "comedian hurts somebody's feelings by putting jokes about them into their act" has had a version where nobody in the audience laughs (or, in a reversal, where they make a joke about somebody, and that person is the only one who finds it funny).

    One thing I've been meaning to bring up: Does the documentary camera crew follow the characters around all the time? Because some of the outside-the-studio scenes feel like they don't (even when they cut to one-on-one interviews). For example, here it feels like the camera crew isn't at Habitat for Humanity. Seems like this is also the first episode to have a celebrity guest appear in one of these interview cuts.
     
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  16. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    This was a decent episode
     
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  17. jobi71

    jobi71 Active Member

    Overall a good episode. I still think the writing can be tighter. Someone on another board commented that the Fozzie/Becky story did not have a proper beginning and the Rizzo/Scooter story did not have a proper ending. I agree. The poster suggested that Fozzie had gone to Gonzo, Rizzo and Pepe for new material and they - or at least Rizzo and Gonzo - suggested that Fozzie try more personal humor. This could have been a talking head of Fozzie ending with him saying "I think it's a great idea!" And then a quick one of Pepe "I think it's a horrible idea." You could then start his standup scene with him launching into the Becky jokes and go from there. It's not that I don't think Fozzie would try insult humor. I think he'll try anything for a laugh. But I think he would need to be lead in that direction a bit. Also in the final talking head with him and Becky and he started in on her feet, I think it would have been much more in character for him to make one joke - the ski lift one was the funniest I think - and then look at her, realize, and then apologize. I know he wants desperately to make people laugh, but I think he knows (or now does) where the line is.

    And for a button for the Rizzo/Scooter plot? To me it is quite obvious. In the final scene rather than have Scooter say he was going to have his insurance company take care of it he could inform Rizzo that his uncle, J.P. Grosse, was taking care of it, and he had visited Rizzo's relatives and what do you know? His car was getting fixed for free. They found 1000 dollars in the glove box and there will be fireworks on his next birthday. Now I know they mentioned his uncle was deceased on one of the holiday specials, but the continuity of the Muppets is a bit fluid especially, I think, for a side character like J.P. Plus it would be a nice reference for die hard fans.

    The Miss Piggy/Reese story I think was really well done. The writing. Piggy's character with a bit of honesty and emotion toward the end. Eric's performance. The puppetry. Reese being game to have some fun with the Muppets and a big song to finish. The only thing dragging it down? It's a different version of the same story with Applegate and Banks and Bowen and Davis (in the promos). As I said I liked this version, so I am glad they did it, but I really want to see a different dynamic with Piggy and the female guest stars. Yes, she was jealous at times on The Muppet Show, but she ended up singing a duet with Raquel Welch, planning Kermit's birthday with Linda Lavin and actually being moved by Kermit and Linda Ronstadt's final song. The writers are clearly talented and funny, but I think their best work is with the supporting characters who are a bit easier to play around with character wise. For example Uncle Deadly or Yolanda.

    Some good notes as well. The puppetry was top notch. Uncle Deadly continues to hit it out of the park. Sean Penn/champagne enough said. Bunsen's parasol was a nice touch. And any scene that has Beautiful Day Monster lurking in the background is a good scene.
     
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  18. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I didn't get to see this episode yet because my father was home from work and he was hogging the TV!
     
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  19. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    The puppetry on Piggy during the musical was freakin' amazing. They're doing movie quality effects on a weekly basis; I love it.
     
  20. Big Bird Fan

    Big Bird Fan Active Member

    First real meh episode for me. Didn't care for the Fozzie stuff and the Scooter/Rizzo plot was just okay.

    Piggy's feuds are getting a bit repetitive, but I loved the musical number they did and Piggy had some pretty funny lines all throughout.
     


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