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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Oct 27, 2015.
You mean a hippie character is anti-government? Why, that makes no sense!
They are taking a lot of liberties (and generalizations) with these characters. I think they're aiming at the crowd that isn't as into the Muppets as we are but knows just enough, but I totally agree with you; it just doesn't feel right.
There's a difference between Character Development, Flanderization, and Characterization Marches On.
Character development is what happens to a character who experiences a progressive growth and evolution over the course of a series (or whatever body of work) that's brought on by the atmosphere and world around them effecting them in a way one might experience in real life.
Flanderization is when a character de-evolves into a one-dimensional representation of a certain aspect or trait of their personality that becomes pretty much the only thing about them after a while (which many people say what's happened to Piggy).
Characterization Marches On is what happens when a character is portrayed in one manner, then randomly and unexpectedly portrayed in another fashion altogether that bears little resemblance to how the character acted and behaved beforehand and usually results in canon discontinuity.
Dearheart, you're brilliant. That was shockingly well-said.
Your a description made me think of comic books and the way we get used to a character drawn by a particular artist in a particular style and we begin to think of that representation as the "real" character. This always strikes me as particularly ironic when the "real" character is, for example, blue and fuzzy or green and ginormous.
That said, Piggy's being portrayed as very one-note and silly. ERIC ought to pitch a grand diva fit of his own.
Lovely turn of phrase, my dear.
I have been on the fence somewhat with the writing of some of the characters mostly Kermit and Piggy, but it's starting to grow on me. I finally understand why Piggy is acting the way she is....She is hurting. The one person she allowed herself to truly love has turned around and crushed her. Sure it was not a perfect love, but what love is really perfect? Piggy in a lot of ways is unraveling, because of the break up of Kermit. She even admitted to the fact when she told Kermit she was having a bad year, to which the frog just shrugged off. I have a feeling that Piggy is going to continue going down hill to the point that Kermit finally realizes that she needs him.
As for the puppetry again I am just amazed at what they are doing. I could just see Jim Henson light up with joy with all these new advances.
I honestly give this one a 5 out of 5!
If Kermit gets back together with Piggy because she can't function without him--that's not love. That's enablement.
Piggy doesn't need pity-dating. She a warm, wonderful, sexy, amazing wo-pig and she deserves someone who can see THAT--not someone who stays with her out of a sense of obligation. That's icky.
And if Kermit only begins to date her so that he can use her commercially--double yuck.
Well, that's a good way of looking at it, but she was 'flanderized' even before they broke up.
I like your thoughts though and that is a good way for the story to progress. We'll just have to see what happens in future episodes.
Well even with the world series, ratings were up 9% for the muppets. It got a 1.4 up from last week's 1.3, this is a sigh of relief, because I really expected it to drop, and face cancellation, hopefully this upward trend continues, better for the muppets being on par with the rest of the lineup.
If it can get this against the world series, could it do better without competing against it, overal positive night.
I found out that the song that makes Fozzie emotional was sung on Sesame Street Live. And it's pretty awesome; they didn't even change the lyrics. Skip to 5:48 to hear it:
I'm referring to him being paranoid beyond **** and jim henson said he was a beatnik in the past not a hippie. Zoot was the hippie. :/ It feels wrong and stupid because in nothing else he was in he never acted like that. EVAR. EEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEEEER!
No that's more like it!
Well it's not that she needs Kermit. They need each other. Right now Kermit is doing ok without Piggy. Something is going to have to happen to wake Kermit up that they need each other. I think something is going to happen that shakes up Kermit to where like always Piggy steps up to be the pig we know she can be. It's just a matter of time.
Since Jerry Nelson's retirement and death Floyd has faded into the background and for the most part has been silent. Now that Matt Vogel has taken most of Jerry's characters he is going to make Floyd his own and add depth to his character. Besides that we really don't know much about the band and there personalitys since with the exception of Animal they have not had much screen time.
being a paranoid conspiracy theorist isn't good depth... Characters like that are annoying unless their names are The Question or Rorschach.
Sorry, I forgot to put the W for now.
So, I'll say this again. Now that's more like it!
ANOTHER ABSOLUTELY GREAT EPISODE!!!
The show just keeps getting better every week!
It was really nice that Piggy finally admitted that she had to apologize to Reese and yet at the same time she does in a way where she can finally beat Reese at something. That shows that Piggy really does have a heart and still shows her true character!
The plot with & was very enjoyable too! and I could not stop laughing when brought up Sean Penn and thought he was saying Champagne! I really love those moments where has a hard time understanding 's accent! very funny stuff!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
There's a difference between character development and just plain erasing the character, drawing a new one in its place, and then insisting it's the same guy.
Yeah. I know what you mean. I think Kermit and Denise will probably break up eventually, considering she was only scene in the first episode and the unaired pilot and when we did see her there was really no chemistry between them. It seems like Kermit will eventually realize that there's only one pig he truly loves.
I love the fact that Rizzo drives a yellow jeep. I also loved Pepe's line about even God rested on Sunday. Funny funny stuff.
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