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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 106 - The Ex-Factor

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Nov 3, 2015.

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What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "The Ex-Factor"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. JimAndFrank

    JimAndFrank Well-Known Member

    Wow, what a great episode! I wouldn’t call it necessarily ‘funny’, but it was certainly entertaining! We saw new dynamics, old dynamics and more Uncle Deadly, so who can complain?

    Sorry guys, I’m gonna ramble on a bit here!

    Denise:

    Boy, oh, boy do I like this pig! She is not at all flawless and doesn’t try to be. She’s quirky, but not an absolute airhead. She is a huge nerd, always a bonus. It’s really odd for me, because seeing a geeky, red-headed pig with glasses reminds me way too much of myself! I can’t wait to see how she develops as the series goes on!

    Denise and Kermit:

    Kermit trying to be a decent boyfriend in a relationship that wasn’t forced upon on him is a very interesting angle to explore for his character. He and Denise are obviously very sweet on each other which is just adorable, but there were a couple of times there, mainly in the cold opening where Kermit seemed to be a little embarrassed by Denise’s behaviour. That’s okay though! Every relationship comes with its quirks and besides I’m sure there are things that Kermit does that irks Denise!

    The whole ‘she didn’t ask for a birthday present so I won’t get her one’ thing is a typical sitcom ploy that TV writers tend to overuse, but it actually works here. Kermit clearly isn’t used to being in a normal relationship, so some of his actions will be pretty clumsy and foolish. I can see plenty more episodes in the future where this will be played with. The talking-head spot where Kermit is showing off the salad plate depicting their first date is a good indication of how much he cares about her.

    Miss Piggy:

    Finally, a Piggy I can get on board with! She played the part of the ‘ex-girlfriend’ perfectly, coming through with her promise to maintain a friendship with Kermit by getting the present, but still teaching him a lesson in her own sneaky way! That friendship is very bittersweet, but still very caring. I like that a lot! Her character development is coming along nicely!

    Can we talk about Piggy’s reaction to Kermit’s little outburst about what he knows about Denise? Piggy seemed quite stumped at the passion with which Kermit spoke. It’s like she underestimated the depth of Kermit and Denise’s relationship and thought it was just a rebound or a fling. What does Piggy do to react? She simply laughs it off with, “Oh, how cute!”, but you can tell it put her off.

    The Electric Mayhem:

    Well, that was new! Chenoweth definitely opened a can of worms there, didn’t she? Floyd had a problem with Dr Teeth claiming to be the frontrunner, Animal had a problem with Zoot being a big baby around snakes, and Janice is nobody’s woman. It was all there! Lips was the only one to seem to not have a huge problem. Perhaps certain topics should never be touched upon with this group!

    Yeah, it was a little bit cruel to leave Chenoweth in the middle of a desert, but I’m sure she’ll get over it! She’s in show-biz, what did she expect?

    Highlights:

    · Piggy and Chenoweth: they clearly see each other as equals. Refreshing to see Piggy get along with another woman. Great musical number!
    · Zoot getting it completely wrong.
    · Also, Piggy poking fun at Denise’s age was golden: ‘I’m great with kids!’
    · Scooter continuing to be a Mumma’s boy and his grudge against Ken-PUT ON A ROBE KEN!
    · Ugh- men have absolutely no clue on what to get a woman for her birthday!
    · Kermit holding a plate he painted while wearing an apron is the cutest thing I think I’ve ever seen.
    · LIPS SPOKE AGAIN! This poor neglected Muppet deserves a line every episode! I think the writers are just teasing us on purpose!
    · Dr Teeth? With Janice? Well, I suppose it makes more sense than Sam and Janice.
    · Kermit’s Squishy Face is what I live for.
    · I take it back! Lips’ hair being whipped around in the wind is the most adorable thing I have ever seen! He is such a beautifully designed Muppet!

    Plus, the way Denise fan-girled over Kristin Chenoweth is a pretty fair depiction of how I will react if I ever meet Steve Whitmire!
     
  2. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Not really. One liners don't really count. Will he be involved significantly in one of the upcoming episodes? I would think they have to soon. Surprised he hasn't been more involved so far. As one of the main characters from the original show ( :) :mad: :o :concern: :sympathy: ) he has been the only one we haven't seen too much of.
     
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  3. MuppetsRule

    MuppetsRule Well-Known Member

    Perfect summary. This episode has been the best by far.
     
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  4. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Oh man I wanna meet him sooo bad,that is, him and Caroll Spinney.:dreamy:
     
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  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm glad they're starting to play with that instead of just keeping moderate levels of hints and excuses. I've been waiting for some passive aggressiveness coming directly from Piggy to Denise. It didn't end up in a fistfight or karate. Piggy carried herself much better in this episode than previous ones, especially at the end where she turned the gift into a snarky little statement instead of going full blown "HIIIIYAAAAHH!" We're getting a more subdued Piggy in this one. Showing that she still cares for Kermit, and Kermit still wants to be friends, but adding just a little "don't screw with me" in there. Hopefully they keep that up.

    That said, loved her being nicey nicey with Kristen. If she did the whole "I'm so much better than you" or jealousy schtick, it would have worn thin considering last week's premise. We need more mutually loved guests on the show and less existential crisis for Piggy, because if they kept that up long enough, it would be redundant and repetitive and it wouldn't have the same punch.

    I really think the gamble of the Mayhem finally getting into a fight really paid off. I liked the idea of Floyd thinking he has an actual relationship with Janice, but Janice being too much of a free spirit to be tied down. And ...uh... wasn't Jancie briefly paired up with Dr. Teeth early in the series, or it was implied she had relationships with all the members (save Animal)? Something like that? I really liked that she was that assertive about the relationship, and having that unintentionally hurt Floyd. While I'd sort of be concerned about them fighting, as Rick and Morty taught us, no relationship based on all pure happy memories is a real relationship. Kristen was the one who was the band's discord, and they were strictly on an ignorance is bliss relationship with each other. Nice to see the characters played out and nice to see them in a major B plot.

    And that's another reason this episode was the best so far. An A plot and a B plot, both fleshed out (could use a few more scenes) without a competing C plot. They actually made a huge improvement with pacing, and that was my main issue.

    So to put it in perspective:

    Showing more of the Piggy Show in a Just a taste way like 30 Rock

    Two Strongish plot lines instead of 1 sort of strong, and two truncated and busy.

    A B story not featuring Fozzie Bear

    Better characterization of Piggy and Kermit

    Continuity with Kermit's relationship with Denise

    No awkward jokes (which I didn't mind, but others did)

    signs of improvement abound. They're very close to the AHAH! Moment that will turn the show around and become something special. This was the best episode of the bunch.
     
  6. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Overall, I liked this episode, better than the last one. The whole Kermit, Miss Piggy, and Denise plot was really well done, and I like how Miss Piggy did not just give Kermit a really bad gift, I expected that was how it would play out, but happy they went a different path. The Electric Mayhem story was hilarious, love how they actually get to do something. Also, leaving Kristin out in the road feels so muppety, like how in TMM Kermit and the rest made the secretary nearly die of allergies, so they could get inside, a sort of dark muppet comedy that doesn't come off very often. Ya, and people will complain that Statler and Waldorf's line was too "adult" even though Statler woke him up in GMC because the bikins were coming, but no one had a problem with that. Pretty good episode, my only complaint would be no Fozzie, but he'll probably be in the next episode. Also, come on give Rowlf a storyline, he's only had a recycled gag from the pilot, we have a good puppeteer for him, why not take advantage of that, and give him a good story or maybe just some lines here and there. Also Dr. Teeth and Janice were an item on TMS in At the Dance.
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    Don't show it to Floyd. Overall, great episode, hoping for good ratings, and more good episodes of the show.
     
  7. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    Such a good episode
     
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  8. I really enjoyed the episode, especially the Electric Mayhem side story. It was really worth the wait for the show to make an Electric Mayhem-based episode or sub-plot. Kristin Chenowith made a pretty good impression, even though she accidently caused tension in the band, which I felt really threatened their friendship. :concern: I think this is the first time I saw the band fight for different reasons: For instance, I had no idea Janice had no interest in being Floyd's girlfriend, even when all the time they spent together and I thought they make a great couple, and I kind of can recall Janice dancing with Zoot and Dr. Teeth at one point (I thought her phrase "oh wow, I really like being in your arms." and Teeth saying "yeah. me too." while being literally being wrapped in Teeth's arms meant that she loved Dr. Teeth as a friend, and didn't know until now that he and Janice used to be an item). :sympathy: I felt pretty bad for Floyd after what happened because I saw how much he really loves Janice, and I feel she and Floyd are truly meant to be. :sing::flirt: Plus, I feel it was pretty selfish of Dr. Teeth to say that the Electric Mayhem is his band, and Janice made a pretty cool comeback that the band belongs to the "universe", and that he threatened to cut her paycheck, which the other members didn't know about, especially Animal. The climax where Dr. Teeth almost dragged Floyd by his mustache to get him back on the bus really freaked me out :eek: until Kristen intervened and helped the band start fresh after everything is out in the open. To be honest, I felt it was pretty stupid for the band to let those silly little problems destroy such a groovy friendship. Also, I thought it was pretty harsh for them to leave Kristen behind, as they felt she was responsible for causing the rift in the first place.

    In my opinion, it was bad enough that Kermit and Piggy broke up. I didn't want the same thing to happen to Electric Mayhem too. It would really break my heart. :cry: </3 I'm glad they got to be friends again at the end of the episode :). I feel there won't be a thing that would tear them apart. I do hope they'll be able to fix their problems in the future. If there's anything I learn about the muppets, it's that there love and friendships for each is too strong to break, no matter the obstacles they faced over the course of their career. Guess that goes for the Electric Mayhem too. Without each other, there would be no harmony with melody for them. Even if they went their separate ways, they'll still be alone. I still have a lot to learn about the band, but I do know if they don't work out even the smallest problems right from the start, the magic of their music could turn into something else. For me, it would be the music of friendship, which I felt is what kept the Muppets' friendship and love for each other from falling apart.

    Once again, I'm really happy the Electric Mayhem restored their friendship before it even broke into something worse. I can't wait for the future episodes of the Muppets and more of the band as well! :fanatic:;):dreamy::excited:

    Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem forever! :D:sing::flirt::cool::halo:
     
  9. jobi71

    jobi71 Active Member

    A strong episode. We get a more in depth portrait of Denise. A more balanced Piggy. An Electric Mayhem subplot. Dramatic Problem Reading. And a lot of rules for a no rules salad plate. I think over all it is one of the stronger episodes.
     
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  10. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Denise is a redhead? Why was I thinking of her as a brunette. :shifty:

    Also, people are saying how well Kristen Chenoweth interacted with the Muppet cast in her appearance in this episode. Er, am I one of the few who remembers she was Ms. Noodle, the first of Mr. Noodle's two sisters appearing in various inserts in Elmo's World? :confused:

    Sounds like this was one of the better-balanced episodes, shame I missed it. :sigh:
     
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  11. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    It seems like this was the show for EM fans. The questions that some fans have asked for years even bother the band as well. I can't wait to see this show or it ratings.
     
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  12. terrimonster

    terrimonster Active Member

    I think I liked this episode less than most here, and less than most other episodes. It's not that it was a particularly bad episode or anything, I actually thought there were a lot of good/funny moments. But it's really starting to sink in that:
    1. They're not parodying the mockumentary style, they're just using it.
    2. They're focusing so much on making the Muppets "real" that they are pretty much interchangeable with a human cast.

    This basically could have been an episode of The Office or 30 Rock. Actually, (I think others have said this) 30 Rock is arguably more Muppety. I'm enjoying the chance to see more of the characters' lives and personalities, but I'm not seeing anything that makes it uniquely Muppety.
     
  13. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I really enjoyed this episode. We finally get to see Denise again, and I'm really liking her bubbly personality here. Piggy was also more subdued and passive-aggressive compared to past episodes as Drtooth said, making her a more bearable character overall.

    The subplot with Kristin Chenoweth and the Electric Mayhem was also a great character-driven moment, too. Abandoning her along the side of the road with nothing but a bag of Funyuns just for causing discord among Teeth and Floyd went a little too disproportionate, though, but I hope her phone still worked out in the middle of nowhere.
     
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  14. LinkLady77

    LinkLady77 Member

    Can I just say that I LOVED Miss Piggy singing a show tune with Kristin! Hearing Miss Piggy rapping during her "I'm Sorry" song last week made me cringe. I want to hear her belting out a song like the Piggy we all remember and not delving into hip hop, it's too awkward and forced. Seriously, if she was a rapper her stage name could be: The Notorious P.I.G. :mad:
     
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  15. sarah_yzma

    sarah_yzma Active Member

    I LOVED this episode. The Piggy storyline was refreshingly different than the last few, she actually gets along with another woman! This alone gives me some hope.

    I know it is a bit controversial on here, but I love the EM dynamic they have created. Animal is more than a pet, the characters have some depth (Floyd being a conspiracy theorist is great), and Floyd hasn't locked Janice down, so I am not surprised she made some private mayhem with Teeth.

    Also, I am becoming convince any scene with the writers group is not scripted. Pepe's 'meet me by the whoopsie bin' line had the best laugh from Rizzo. Seemed really natural and I loved it.
     
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  16. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    There is one thing that pretty much ruined the episode for me. Of course, I am being dramatic, but when the van with the Mayhem drives away, a zoomed out shot shows one of the WORST examples of CGI I've seen in a muppet production for a while. Kristin walking away on the side of the road is OBVIOUSLY green screened, as well as the unnatural movement of the tumbleweed across the screen to distract from the previous bad CGI. Made me cringe a little on the inside, but that is just me. Also, I think that Piggy and Kristin are green screened into the red curtain backdrop in the opening number they perform, which is odd, because they were obviously on set...
     
  17. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    we need a muppets episode to air with an uncle deadly centered plotline. I wanna see more of our sophisticated dragon ghost.
    also I finally figured out who dr. teeth's speech patterns reminded me of! J.J. from Good Times!
    Also It always felt to me that floyd and dr. teeth are the best of friends. I mean right after dr.teeth does his cover of "lazy bones" he gives floyd a high five(low five?) like "Great job, mah brotha".
     
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  18. Iwa Iniki

    Iwa Iniki New Member

    The original Muppet shows were so much better.
    These new ones just don't make it. Sad!
     
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  19. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

    They aren't in competition. Two seperate shows.
     
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  20. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    I really enjoyed it. Thought it was actually better than "Walk The Swine" in many respects although I didn't necessarily dislike that episode. I just felt the whole thing flowed better, had sharper writing, and was truer to the characters while still advancing storylines (within the episode and for the series overall).

    Great to have Denise back, and even better, great to have her a bit more well-defined. I felt something very organic happening in the scene that had her gushing over Kristin Chenoweth. There's a little bit of nerd-fangirl to Denise that could work well in future episodes if the writers are willing to keep pushing that.

    Smart work with the Kermit-Piggy dynamic too. I had a feeling Piggy would find a way to slip in some mild sabotage with her gift (the look on Kermit's face when he heard the jewelry-box song was PRICELESS, followed perfectly by Piggy's "That is MESSED UP!" topper line). The promos had me worried that it would be yet another jealous-Piggy freak-out. Great to see a better fleshing out of that plotline, especially the scenes with Kermit trying to make the best of things at Color Me Mine and stalling with the "extra verses" of "Happy Birthday."

    Kristin C. brought a wonderful energy to this episode, as is typical of her appearances in other media. I almost wish they had used her a little more extensively, which I expected to happen after she and Piggy did their duet. The scenes with her on the EM bus were a hoot and I'm glad to see the Floyd-and-Janice pairing got a minor subplot of its own. I think the actual production of the band ditching Kristin in the desert could have been more effective - it left me a little cold, and not just because of the green-screening. But overall, great use of the EM this week. ("Animal LOVE to perform with live snakes - but Zoot big baby..." bahaha...)

    The supporting players are KILLING IT! Scooter and his Mom ("Put a ROBE on, Ken!"); the writers'-room guys and Chip coming up with terrible gift ideas; Pepe (e-mail address!), Rizzo and Gonzo in the closing sequence; Uncle Deadly "I don't offer solutions, I just dramatize problems"...I'm sure I missed some of the lines because I was laughing so hard at others. It's like my experience with the first decade of The Simpsons, honestly.

    Everything and everybody felt pretty much spot-on this week, and I didn't mind Fozzie getting a breather after he had taken such a big role in the previous five episodes. Looking forward to next week already!
     
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