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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 111 - Swine Song

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Feb 2, 2016.


What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Swine Song"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Tonight make plans to watch "The Muppets" new episode "Swine Song" at 8:30|7:30c on ABC. Then join the discussion immediately afterwards in the Muppet Central Forum.

    Episode 11 - Swine Song

    The "Up Late" crew returns from hiatus and everyone is rested and ready to get back to work, but their good vibes are short-lived when a branding specialist arrives and tries to fix what isn't broken.

    If you saw "Swine Song" please like this post and share your thoughts below.
  2. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    This retooling of the show is fantastic! Getting the rest of the Muppets onstage, Gloria Estefan is cute, and IDK about you, but I loved seeing Piggy impersonate Miley Cyrus. Also Bobo's dramatic reading of Real Housewives was hilarious.
  3. GonzoLover726

    GonzoLover726 Active Member

    I loved this 'reboot' episode.

    Gloria was absolutely adorable, especially with Uncle Deadly. I also enjoyed the new ending to the intro with Piggy handing Kermit a coffee. I'm looking forward to more skits, like Veterinarian Hospital I think is coming back.

    And I don't really care with what happened between Kermit and Denise. It was bound to happen anyway.

    Overall it is definitely one of the better episodes this season.
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  4. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    Thought it was a solid episode. It did seem heavy-handed with the branding consultant making suggestions and then Kermit saying the show needed more joy, like the remaining writing staff really felt like they needed to make the point of "hey, the old showrunner wanted us to do things this way, now look, we're going to change". Suppose I can't blame them for trying to make the point after the bad publicity of the show's earlier episodes, but hopefully they won't hammer this point home so explicitly in the future.

    I did like Pepe's bit in the car, especially insisting the passenger was Edward James Olmos. I'd love to see more things like that in each of the upcoming episodes. Also interested to see where they go with Denise/Kermit/Piggy, as they've invested so much time in the relationship it would be anti-climactic to have her drop off the show after this episode.

    All told, I'm excited for next week when the show should have its legs under it (again).
  5. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    GREAT EPISODE!!! :) :mad: :o :concern: ;) :shifty: :rolleyes:

    Here rate my Favorite Moments from "Swine Song"

    - The Muppets doing TMS Theme Song in the Meeting Room

    - Uncle Deadly's relationship with Gloria Estefan

    - Pepe's Über Driver sketch

    - Bobo's Poetry

    - Kermit & Piggy's "In Spite of Ourselves" number

    The series just keeps getting Better!!!
  6. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Hi, just gonna post here, let this fall where it may with other peoples ziffling me with their thoughts.

    After watching the episode, I have two main big picture take-aways.
    1 Remember that whole "meta" feeling we got when we learned about :fanatic: being the central focus of the 2011 movie, and how it was him as the uber-fan representing all of us other fans? With this episode I got that feeling again, the "meta"-ness of how the Muppets are retooling the show within a show known as Up Late with Piggy after our own thoughts regarding the first few episodes that aired back in September 2015.
    2 We all recognized that the Kermit+Piggy brake-up was nothing more than a sham and they'd eventually get back together again again. The writing's been on the wall for months regarding that plotpoint. Tonight brought the first brick lobbed at bringing that wall crashing down with the musical number sung by Kermit and Piggy after that branding jerk sabotaged the show by stealing away the guest stars. I'll address both of those after finishing this. As for the main brake-up, even :shifty: and :rolleyes: noticed what was happening... Leading to Denise unhappily saying that she need some time to think about things, those things being the relationship between her and Kermit. It makes me a bit sad because this kind of shows that Denise was destined to be nothing more than a disposable character when she could be better utilized within the Muppet repertoire.

    Other thoughts.
    That branding guru jerk. Yeah, I knew I was right not trusting when everything had to be branded as "Presented by PiggyWater" back in Episode 109.
    The guest stars, I'm not familiar with these peoples... And if they make a couple backstage appearances, to be stolen away by the antagonist Pashé (Pizza?), then what purpose did they ultimately serve? So yeah, it was essentially a throw-away non-guest star moment.

    Hey, we went a whole show without a Scooter's mother reference or joke!
    I said I wanted to see the puppets created to fit the roles of :concern:'s and ;)'s mothers as mentioned on this show, but the one new Muppet I rully rully want to now make an appearance is Uncle Deadly's own dragon mom.
    BTW: UD stole the show with his interactions with Gloria Estefan, :zany:'s new cousin.
    BTW2: I sooo want to hear Uncle D's dramatic reading of either Madame Leota's séance from Disney's Haunted Mansion or the original poem version of TNBC.

    Can already hear some of the prominent posters here about how this episode was filled with jokes and references that will be dated in just another year from now.
    Pepe picking up chicks in the Uber Driver van.
    Bobo's dramatic reading of a transcript from an episode of the Real Housewives of Atlanta.
    Lew's joke about Cirque du Filet was amusant.
    Rowlf's non-sequitor joke about being a puppy in the house where all the single ladies from The Bachelor are housed.
    BTW3: Whenever :sympathy: is in a scene, I hear Bill's gravely voice and think it's Bobo at first. Then the scene keeps going and either because of the setting or the dog-based humor I realize it's Rowlf instead.

    Also liked when the Mayhem did a riffy version of the Muppet Show's theme song. Kind of surprised they said they liked it, since it was originally said to be insulting as incredibly square to :sing:, I mean John Q. Public.

    So kind of a six of one, half a dozen of another effort, I'm intrigued to see where the show goes from here. :)
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  7. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Yeah. I know what you mean. It was sad, but if :) and :mad: are bound to get back together, they sort of need to get her out of the way. Still it would be nice to see her in future Muppet productions in another type of role or something. Just something to think about.

    Yeah. It would be nice to see him be more of the go-fer character that he was on TMS. I'm still hoping for a J.P. Groose reference at some point.

    BTW, was I the only one who noticed they modified the opening with Piggy saying "Oh, Kermie" and Kermit's "Get things started" line sounded like it was re-recorded? Just thought I'd bring that up.
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  8. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Actually, yes, I noticed Kermit's "Time to get things started" was more upbeat than it's been for the first ten episodes of the series.
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  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    This feels like they are going to move the show in the right direction.
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  10. vettech28

    vettech28 Well-Known Member

    I loved it! Key and Peele were great in this and I haven't even watched their show! Not sure how I feel about Piggy's Miley Cyrus costume bit, but it got a chuckle from me. Pepe's video skit was great, I hope they do more like these in the future! Bobo's poetry, priceless! Poor Denise though, however it does look like Kermit and Piggy are mending their relationship somewhat.

    Definitely looking forward to more in the coming weeks!
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  11. MuppetGuy75

    MuppetGuy75 Well-Known Member

    Another outstanding episode! Uncle Deadly and Bobo the Bear can easily steal the show. They always have the best dialog! With that being said, Miss Piggy dressing up like Miley Cyrus was hilarious!!! She cracks me up!
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  12. antsamthompson9

    antsamthompson9 Well-Known Member

    Bill Barretta told me Peter Linz plays Gloria Estefan. Yay! Peter finally has a character on the show.
  13. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    I think a good way to look at this episode is like it is episode 1A of the first season. Not everything was in place, but there are a lot of good spots they can expand on. Here are my thoughts for what it is worth:

    I think the whole rebranding/rebooting/back from break worked well in this episode. I mean the Muppets have never shied from being meta. That said I hope that Pizza/Pache (how should his name be spelled here?) has some different ideas/plots when he appears again. I also hope he is a "from time to time" character rather than appear in most episodes.

    The slight tweak to the opening credit sequence let me know that they were on the right track. I love that Piggy has a cup of Starbucks (?) or whatever the Muppet version is since Kermit is too timid to take from his friends.

    I am pleased that many supporting Muppets had decent screen time. Bobo, Pepe and Rizzo seemed to have more time than most episodes. Also Yolanda, Janice, Sam, Rowlf (!), Carl and Lew (God bless him) had their moments. And Deadly. He is clearly the Muppet most destined to have a spin off show.

    In short I await the next episode not with cautious optimism but with full on excitement.
  14. ploobis

    ploobis Well-Known Member

    Once again, Uncle Deadly steals the show!
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  15. Big Bird Fan

    Big Bird Fan Well-Known Member

    I looooooove Gloria Estefan. It's so adorably awesome and paired with Deadly it's comedic gold.

    Kermit/Piggy duet was very adorable. I bet they'll get back together in the season finale.

    Loved hearing them sing the Muppet Show theme. Hopefully we'll keep getting more music in future episodes.

    This "reboot" didn't feel like much of a reboot at all, which is a huge relief. Based on some interviews it sounds like the new show runner gets the show and is going to keep things like the last few episodes.

    Add me to the list of people grateful there was no Scooter's mom jokes. If they were something we only heard once in awhile I think they'd be more effective and less annoying.
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed this episode around as much as the last solid batch before the break. But what made the episode really stand out was the subtly.

    The show pretty much addressed the main complaints of the series. "It's too talky," clearly a reference to how the show goes for verbal humor instead of physical slapstick comedy. The "making old stuff relevant" bit about the show struggling to find that audience they were going for. All and all, not only did they work the changes into the plot, but it actually added some much needed tension for the series. Another subtle bit I really loved was that instead of just doing rehashes of old Muppet skits (in this episode anyway) they went for the kind of skits they normally would have on a Late Night Talk show like this. Pepe the Uber Driver screamed Jimmy Kimmel/David Letterman, and Bobo's beat poetry reading of Real Housewives rants is clearly Jimmy Fallon/Conan O'Brien-esque. It either comes off as a tongue in cheek homage or a backhanded compliment.

    My only two, I shudder to say disappointments, but my only two issues with the episode were that Key and Peele really should have had more screen time with the characters, and indeed they should work with them again in the future. Their all too brief performance was memorable and funny as a Key and Peele appearance should be. But I'm forgiving as they were sacrificed for the sake of plot. The other thing, well... I really wish they would have waited a couple episodes for Denise and Kermit to all but break up. I liked the idea of the spark between Kermit and Piggy that they both knew was there and they avoided was brought out. Now, I will say if Galavant has taught me anything it's that in the case of cancellation (biting my own tongue) it's nice to not leave huge things cliffhanging. So I would imagine they'd try to get the Pig and Frog back together by episode 16. Still, I really wish that the tension between Kermit and Denise would stew a little longer. Seems that, while I respect and admire the fact they've addressed the show's problems, they really went after the bit about those who hated Kermit being with another Pig a little too swiftly.

    But overall, great changes and things can only look up the next 4 weeks.
  17. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    So far, this re-tool has been really great. We got to see the Muppets being their Muppet-y selves a little more than usual, and we got a solid (single) plot of the gang being pressured by the higher-ups to "stay relevant" and coming up with something great in the context of Up Late (something that mirrors the Muppets' struggle to do the same), giving us a little taste of the new sketches they have there without them being too heavily focused on. Also loved Key & Peele playing off of them with their usual manic delivery, as they do on their own show. And Gloria Estefan the Penguin (so-named because it was the only Spanish name Piggy knows, not because of a Michael Bolton case like I thought it would be) was too cute interacting with Uncle Deadly and boozing it up with him, and I hope we get to see more of their budding friendship as the show goes on. :)

    Kermit's old feelings for Piggy and his dilemma with Denise might be a recurring theme as the season finale nears, which sounds like some nice story potential, at least in terms of the way it's executed (it didn't get resolved in the end, and it could be the start of a story arc). And Pache (or Pizza, as he insists on spelling it) the branding guru is coming off as a fun antagonist.

    Also, I'm grateful that Piggy's dressing up and acting like Miley Cyrus came off as a lot less cringeworthy in the context of the show. It wouldn't be out of character for her to think she was "too outdated" in the figurative and literal sense and desperately act otherwise. :)
  18. Muppetboy09

    Muppetboy09 Well-Known Member

    Gloria Estefan was the highlight of this episode. I am not sure if anyone noticed this, but there was a ridiculous amount of product placement on tonights episode. Usually, they are subtle, like Kermit using a Macbook, but tonight, they were legitimately mentioning Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Chuck E Cheese, Little Caesars, Uber, Etsy, Apple (Siri), Shark Tank, Toblerone. I might be looking too closely at it, maybe some of these were NOT sponsors, but I just felt at some points the name dropping was a bit excessive. Overall, good episode. I feel like the "sketches" weren't overly strong, but I am sure they will get into the swing of things, or should I say "Swine" of things.
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  19. oknazevad

    oknazevad Member

    This episode did exactly what it needed to do. It actually wasn't all that different from the last couple before the break, indicating it was more a tweak than a reboot (which is what I predicted), but for those who didn't watch it every week before the break, it was just enough to show the differences without seeming too jarring of a change. Subtle thing, like the opening, where Iermit actually seemed enthusiastic about getting things started instead of resigned to the issue. (Which is what some of the early criticism called out specifically, that Kermit seemed to be unenthusiastic.)

    The sketches were great. As DrTooth said, they were just like the sort of sketches one would see on Fallon or Kimmel, so they are very appropriate for the-show-within-the-show while still being outright hilarious and sweet in their own right.

    And the Muppet Show theme was perfectly used to illustrate the return of the heart and joy of the Muppets. Though it really hasn't been missing these last few episodes; after a bit of a glimpse in "Bear Left, then Bear Write", it really came back in "Pigs in a Blackout" (which, of course, ended with "The Rainbow Connection", letting everyone who saw it know). But like I said, this episode was there to show just that to those who hadn't seen the last few episodes. I feel fortunate to have not missed them myself.
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  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Fozzie was funny with his one line

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