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Your Thoughts: The Muppets' Wizard of Oz

Discussion in 'Muppet Appearances' started by Phillip, May 20, 2005.

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What did you think of The Muppets' Wizard of Oz?

  1. Oz was great

    57 vote(s)
    23.0%
  2. Oz was good

    92 vote(s)
    37.1%
  3. Oz was disappointing

    64 vote(s)
    25.8%
  4. Oz was awful

    35 vote(s)
    14.1%

  1. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    :concern: Thank you. I do know a lot about OZ, but I also want to give others a chance to speak as well.

    That is not to say that I did not have issues with the Muppet Film, as much as I do like it, it could have been better......but I was very impressed with it.
     
  2. unclematt

    unclematt Active Member

    I feel like the Muppet version was well done but I dont kow if they took the time to intentionally be so comparable to the book or if it was just a coincidence.
     
  3. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Book/ Vs Muppet Film

    Matt, To say that Muppets Wizard of Oz was only a coincidence, or an accident that it was similare to the book from where I stand simply untrue.

    before I go into a long explaniation, and take up a lot of time and space here. I would like to ask, do you all want to hear my point of view?

    Thank you,
    Andrew

    :attitude:
     
  4. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    L. Frank Baum’s OZ, /vs. The Muppets Wizard of OZ.

    L. Frank Baum’s The Wonderful Wizard of OZ, /vs. The Muppets Wizard of OZ.

    This Is really long, i am sorry for that but i tred to give as much detail as possible.......SORRY!

    Even if the Muppets produced an OZ that was exactly like the book, it would not be exactly like it. After all they are the Muppets and are know for the crazy, silly, and strange behavior, they do things that no other characters can or are able to do and get away with, so the film will always be uniquely Therese.

    Book: Opening….We get a brief but bleak look into Dorothy’s world on the Kansas farm, we know that Aunt Em and Uncle Henry are poor hard worn farming people who never smile or laugh.

    Muppets: Got the hard working and bleak part down, at least in Aunt Em, Hennery provides a kinder somewhat comic relief for the opening. They get the point across, life is hard, and Aunt Em is a hard person. Dorothy has big dreams and wants to get away from Kansas, and her guardians, this is a Hollywood addition that is no where found in the book. This plot device is used in the MGM Film, The Wiz, 1995’s Return to OZ and several others. As the book describes such a bleak existence for Dorothy the reader longs to escape it, even in the first few pages of the book. But a film needs to have motive, a theme to carry the picture along, and help us relate to the characters.

    Book: Aunt Em badly frightened by the approaching cyclone tells Dorothy to quickly get into the cyclone caller to escape. Hennery goes to look after the live stock and Toto runs and hides under Dorothy’s bed. Dorothy starts for the cellar, but then goes to get Toto when the house is lifted up into the air.

    Muppets: Dorothy does try to get to the cyclone shelter, but cannot part with her Shrimp Toto, and goes back to the house to get him. Remember in both stories Dorothy is a morally good person, and does not wish harm on any one.

    Book: The House lands in Munchkin land, not in the city, but in a forest. Munchkin Land is a farming community, and has no major metropolis. The people are smaller than Dorothy, and blue is the favored color. The good witch of the North who comes to make sure the Bad Witch of the East is Dead. Gives the shos to Dorothy, and telles her to go to the Emerald City and seek the Wizards help.

    Muppets: They do a great job of burrowing a look from the MGM film but making it uniquely there own. Rats, as Munchkins works really well, especially when they tell Dorothy if she needs help to call on them. (I will explain that later) Blue is the favored color, and it is the good witch of the North who comes to make sure the Bad Witch of the East is Dead. Gives the shos to Dorothy, and telles her to go to the Emerald City and seek the Wizards help.

    Book: There are 4 Witches left in OZ, 2 good and 2 bad. The witch of the West and East are sisters and the Witch of the South and north are sisters. The Wicked witch of the West does not try to Destroy Dorothy until she learns that Dorothy has the silver shoes, and the Witch of the West was to get them, and that Dorothy and her friends have come to destroy her. It is implied that once the W. of the West has the shows she can defeat the Wizard who she fears. The Witch of the west does have a magic eye that works like a telescope and can see anywhere in OZ, as well as a horde of wolves, black bees, and crows, along with owning the magic cap that allows her to control the monkeys.

    Muppets: making all the witches sisters is perfect the “4 little pigs”, it lends to the story book quality of the film. And as mentioned above the Witch of the West does not play a major roll until Dorothy and friends set out to find her. Piggy the Witch of the West makes reference to her wolves, bees, and crows among others, and then uses the winged monkeys to capture Dorothy and friends.

    Book: It is important to note that one by one working together they each are able to defeat the Black bees, Wolves, and Crows….which is why the witch then resorts to use the Winged Monkeys….they are controlled by use of the golden cap. The tin man is lifted into the air and dropped on a very rocky spot where is bent and broken. The scarecrow is un-stuffed and clothing is bundled up and tossed into a tree, Lion Dorothy and Toto are captures and brought to the castle.

    Muppets: Witch used the motorcycle cap to command the winged monkeys, a flying motorcycle gang to attack Dorothy and gang. Tin Thing and Scarecrow are destroyed the rest captured and brought to the castle.

    Book: When Dorothy and friends fall asleep in the poppy field it is up to the scarecrow and the tin man to save them. They do not fall asleep because they are not really alive, they do not breather air, nor do they need food or rest. The Tin man builds a cart by chopping up a few trees, and thousands of field mice each attached to a string pull the cart carrying Dorothy, Toto and the lion while the tin man and Scarecrow help to push from behind. The Mice are so small the fumes of the flowers will not harm them.

    Muppets: In an excellent and really funny way PePe sings the song to call the Munchkins (Rats, AKA field Mice) to come and save Dorothy and Lion. And they carry Dorothy and Lion out of the Poppy filled night club.

    Book: The Shoes are silver. The color was changed to ruby for the MGM film, and also the 1985’s Return to OZ.

    Muppets: The Shoes are silver.

    Book: The journey to the Emerald City is very difficult, and at one pint they have to get a cross a deep canyon. At this point the lion is able to jump across carying them each one at a time on his back. The 2nd canyon is to wife for the lion to leap so the tin man chops down a tree to cross the gulf and they walk across it. Only they are attacked by the Kalids, beasts with bodies like bears, and heads of tigers. The kalids fallow Dorothy and friends on to the tree bridge to cross the gulf and capture and eat our band of friends, but the tin man with such speed chops through the trunk of the tree and the Kalids fall into the gulf and are destroyed.

    Muppets: Combine 2 canyons into one, the fallen tree is already in place to act as a bridge and the kalids act as hecklers and really give the lion a hard time. Just as in the book it is team work that saves the day again.

    Book: The Emerald City was not built completely out of emeralds; there are also diamonds, gold, silver, and other precious stones. But the Wizard decreed that any one in the city much always wear green glasses to protect the eyes of the people from the gleam of the emeralds. This is one of the ways the Hum Bug Wizard help to make him self appear more magical, for with the green glasses in place the already magnificent city appeared even more dazzling and brilliantly green.

    Muppets: This is played up really well, and adds some comic relief as well. How ever it is not discovered until later stores about OZ that the glasses were not needed to protect the eyes.

    Book: The Wizard appears to each, Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tin man and Lion in a form each can understand. Dorothy A great head, Scarecrow a Beautiful fairy woman, tin man a savage beast, Lion a great ball of fire. The Wizard tells them that in the land of OZ nothing is given with out payment for that gift. So the wizard tells them to go and destroy the Witch of the West.

    Muppets: Hey they got it mostly right, there was a beautiful woman who turned into a chicken, a giant head, a beast and a ball of fire.

    Book: The wizard fills the scarecrows head (which is a burlap sack) with pins and needles along with a bunch of bran. In that way he will feel the tingle when he is thinking, and the bran holds it all in place. The tin Man gets a little hear cushion (It is implied that this is the kind of thing one finds filled with cedar chips used in drawers to keep moths away) placed inside his breast. The Wizard cut a hole in his tin chest and hung the cushion on a peg inside, then closed up the hole. The Lion drinks a big bowl of a liquid that wizard pours out of a bottle marked courage.

    Muppets: The scarecrow got the bran flakes in his head, the tin man already had the door in his chest and got a candy heart, but the lion got a gold microphone….this is completely burrowed from the MGM film.

    Muppets: the story of how the Tin thing became a Tin thing is very similar to the story in the original book. And there is more, but with out seeing the Muppets Film again I do not want to speak with out knowing for sure.

    if you have question you can contact me @ scarecrow34@hotmail.com

    thank you
    Andrew
    :attitude:
     
  5. TogetherAgain

    TogetherAgain Well-Known Member

    Now that is what I call detailed! Definately worth the read. Thank you a zillion times for the info, good doctor!
     
  6. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    I was worried it was too long. And then I was worried that you all just want me to shut my yap for a while.
     
  7. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    one of the things I forgott was the Munchkin costumes, As they are described in the book, is really how they look in the Muppets film, although they are a bit more whimsicale in the Muppet Film.
     
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I have to admit, I still think that if they CHANGED a few things, the movie would have been better.

    As much as I hate to admit it... I really wish they would have put Ravin Symone in the role of Dorothy. I mean, as much as I hate the idea of a Disney employee in the movie, at least the girl can act. Maybe Ashanti's "acting" clouded my judgement. Plus, Raven DID work with Kermit before... but still, I say Dorothy should have been a young unknown.

    I have to add (unless I said this earlier) I was kinda disappointed David Allen Grier and Queen Latifa didn't interact with the Muppets, since both have been on Sesame Street (interacting) before. Plus, I really think it would have been great for the Jeffery Tambor Wizard to have a Bobo the Bear side kick (both working together on MFS) But I guess Bill was too busy with Pepe at the time.

    All and all, I think I'll give the movie a second chance on DVD... If I get it as a present. I'd rather save my money for Muppets Season one and Fraggles Season one.
     
  9. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Great Points

    I agree with you 100%, an unknow 10 year old would have made perhaps a much better more real and believable Dorothy. I also agree that it could have been better, and I would have changed a number of things myself.
    :attitude:
     
  10. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    Omg! That would've been PERFECT! It was Bobo's role in Muppets From Space that made me a Bobo fan! :D
     
  11. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Sorry Gang I really do not like Bobo, his design seems to me not to fit with the style of the other Muppets. I know I will probably catch heck for saying so, but I am glad he was not in the film.
     
  12. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    No. Definatly (for us who ain't seen it or read it) worth reading. I must say.

    If you wanna post more detailed posts, do so!!!
     
  13. erniebert1234ss

    erniebert1234ss Active Member

    Is it just me, or does Fozzie sound a little TOO much like Bert? JW.

    BJ
     
  14. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Thank you. For now I think I have said all that I need to about Muppets OZ and the Original book. But I do hope that this continues, especially after the OZ film comes out on DVD.

    As for Fozie's voice, I agree but only to a point. If we kind of go back in time when the Muppet Show was first on TV (Season 1) a few of Franks Characters sounded similar. We have an old group of well know friends (The Muppets) with a new group of friends (The Performers) in time they will grow into there characters and the voices will be as good as ever. I think Fozie sounds younger, fresher, cleaner may be. I feel the same way about Scooter, and also Sam. Give it time, a few more productions under there belt and the new performing gang will have the voices down. I hate to make this comparison, but long before Walt Disney passed on he had to pass the voice of Mickey on to some one else, due to his smoking, Walt could not get his voice to go so high any longer.
    :o
     
  15. unclematt

    unclematt Active Member

    I would rather have them change than have them disappear
     
  16. Camellia

    Camellia New Member

    Muppet Disney remake of Wizard of Oz

    :(

    speechless

    sorry don't mean to offend anyone

    but it was AWFUL

    I wish they would make an original script movie, like TMM and MTM

    Camellia :)
     
  17. unclematt

    unclematt Active Member

    I agree that they need to make an original script movie, but I think there were many redeemable qualities in MWoO.
     
  18. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Good Doctor, I know this is the wrong thread, but I knew I'd catch you here. I was perusing VMC this evening, and discovered something you'll like. You know how often you have mentioned Sam's having feathers on his head in VMC as a very bad thing. Well, in the final scene, they are gone. So they were a one time gag, not even kept for the whole movie!!! Thought you'd care to know. Beau
     
  19. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    my review

    well, I guess it's about time for me to write a review.

    I liked The Muppets Wizard Of Oz. It wasn't the best muppet movie, but it was better than Muppets From Space. there are a lot of things that I liked as well as a lot of things I didn't like.

    of the things i liked:
    *this movie seemed to have the least amount of humans than any other muppet movie. in kansas, the only humans seen are dorthy and the wizard. everybody else is a muppet.
    *i liked the return of scooter, dr. teeth and the electric mayhem, crazy harry (with lines), mulch and foo foo. alright, so many of them weren't really gone, or didn't really come back any differently then they had been used 9scooters part in the movie was probably just as big as his part in it's a very merry muppet christmas movie).
    *i liked the return of songs sung by the muppets, and the return of music numbers that appear for no reason. most of the songs in muppets from space and it's a very merry muppet christmas movie were sung for reasons (in front of audiences, christmas caroling, "everyone matters" was sung while onzo played a guitar).

    and some of the things i didn't like:
    *the poppyfields scene should have been more crowded. rowlf should have been there, either as a customer or playing the piano with the electric mayhem. lips should have been there, playing the trumpet. dr. phil van neuter should have been there since mulch was. fleet scribbler looks like the kind of person who would be at a nightclub.
    *instead of a weatherman, the newsman should have done the tornado report.
    *although I am glad that the backgound villians from muppet treasure island returned, I wish that the flying monkeys would have been portrayed by some of the older muppet monsters, like boppity, gloat, luncheon counter monster and beautiful day monster.
    *when the wizard was giving everybody what they wanted, instead of bunsen and beaker using a machine to create a drumroll, they should have used animal.
    *we never learn if the electric mayhem was supposed to work for the wicked witch or not. they worked at poppyfields, which could have been a trap set by the witch, and they accompany her in her song, but they never appear at the castle, and we never learn their reaction to the witch melting.
    *and I also wish that beauregard, digit, leon, seymour, bobo and link hogthrob were in the movie.
     
  20. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor New Member

    Hey thanks, I did not catch that, but now I will ahve to watch it again. I was guessing it was just a one time gag.
     


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