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Zemekis/Disney To Remake "Yellow Submarine?"

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JEANYLASER, Aug 20, 2009.


    JEANYLASER Well-Known Member

    Zemekis/Disney To Remake "Yellow Submarine?"
    Disney and director Robert Zemeckis are negotiating to remake ?Yellow Submarine, the 1968 psychedelic animated film based on the music of The Beatles. The studio has been quietly brokering a complicated rights deal that would give Zemeckis access to 16 original Beatles songs for a movie he will direct in the performance-capture 3-D digital production format he employed for ?A Christmas Carol.?

    that's from Variety!

    What do you think!
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member



    .... :eek:

    This has "Seargent Pepper's Lonley Hearts Club Band" written all over it.

    Terrible idea... terrible terrible terrible. And the motion capture of those movies? ugly. Ugly and terrible.

    I fail to see the problem with re-releasing these things to theaters or DVD.

    JEANYLASER Well-Known Member

    Did I do something wrong Dr.Teeth?:confused:
  4. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think this is just a case of revamping something that is already in fine shape. What Zemekis and Disney have been doing these days is kind of like what Ted Turner did in the 80s by colorizing movies or what George Lucas and Steven Spielberg did in this last decade by painting over the classic special effects with CG because its trendy.

    Who knows, it could look good, but what's the reason? Zemekis should go back to one of his properties or create a new one rather than toy with something that many people find so sacred. I just don't know what to think. Again, it could look cool like Monster House or it could look creepy like Polar Express.

    JEANYLASER Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the info!
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The difference is that Lucas and Spielberg screwed up their own movies to what they think they wanted as bright eyed visionary directors, but rather wanted as curmudgeonly old jaded perfectionists. And frankly, all the Haden Christensen cameos and pointlessly long musical numbers Lucas added in weren't half as bad as cutting the sailormouth at the breakfast table in E.T.

    But I digress, those were their movies... and while I hate that they ruined them, at least they screwed them up by their own will. Ted Turner (and the case here with Zemekis) took movies that weren't theirs, and changed them without the permission of the original owners. If anyone remembers the TV series "The Critic" in the episode "Doctor Jay," Duke creates a computer program that changed classic movies to be commercials and have fake happy endings. Something I think this new Remake obsession is very close to.

    Exactly... what IS the point? What is the reason? It makes about as much sense as sequelling Snow White or something. The older audience that remember it will be alienated, and the younger audiences will be too young to care. The same classic mistake played over and over and over. I'm sure Zemekis will try to capture the flavor of the original as best as he can, but it's still and inadvisable mistake. The original movie was a groundbreaking piece of animation movie history. There was so much they did with OUT the aid of computers, and I think it makes the film better than any CGI remake could ever try to be.

    I really want this movie to not happen some how... be it the surviving Beatles, the families and estates of the deceased ones, Micheal Jackson's estate... Pixar... someone has to say "NO! This isn't going to work." And I second that... why not revisit older characters that Zemekis came up with, or something new. Somehow, when I see these old curmudgeonly perfectionist directors playing with CGI, I see some old guy fiddling around with an iPod trying to listen to talk radio... not the young explorers they want to pretend to be.

    JEANYLASER Well-Known Member

    thanks for the info!
  8. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Well, while I have never seen the movie since I am not a beatles fan, all I have to say is that at least they are using the beatles music.

    Now...the remake planned for Rock N Roll High School on the other hand...man I am doing to have a fit when it comes out and will proabaly start screaming at people who want to see it. There is NO BAND that can replace the Ramones.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    ... Rock and Roll High School Remake.... sure... there's ABSOULTELY nothing that has been successful that they'd alter this to be a clone of. Certainly nothing that was on the Disney Channel and is 4 movies (one in the works). I'd almost be more upset with that one.

    Here's a funny thought... what if, hypothetically, they were unable to get the rights to ANY Beatles songs, and had to use sound-a-likes... like that episode of 30 Rock where they couldn't get the rights to the life or songs of Janis Joplin, and they had to make the movie about Jackie Jipjorp.
  10. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    This is just bizarre, heh. I mean the original Yellow Submarine wasn't perfect, but it had a lot of charm and represents a moment in time in history. Once again we're telling kids none of that matters. And we wonder why kids could care less about anything.

    Thankfully the original is on DVD. And unless this remake is somehow amazing, the only version I'm showing my kids is the original.
  11. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    I heard that on the radio the other night. I wonder if they'll try to bring some sense into it.
  12. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Bring sense to Yellow Submarine? The world would end! ;)
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really don't think kids will care one way or another. If Disney wants to meddle in the film and turn it into everything they're doing right now- perish the thought- that's the only reason these jaded kids would watch the film. Even then, i hate what's happened to the public's perception of the Beatles over time... they became kiddy music with tone deaf kids singing the songs... and I'm thinking the only Beatles thing on anyone's mind currently is Beatles Rockband. While I'm sure Zermekis wants to bring something to this project, I just can't see the point, how it would be any better than the original, or even how it would work. Yellow Submarine's charm IS that it was limited 2-D animation. They were able to do so much with it. And this was done by the same studio that, ironically, did the Beatles cartoon series (check out the "Taxman" episode on youtube... you can see certain animation segments that look very similar to the film).

    However, I don't quite think the message is ignore the old, care only for the new... the message seems more to be "we're too lazy to come up with anything original, and we're afraid originality will scare away a sizable film going audience."

    Correction... the original WAS on DVD. If you go to amazon or try to look for it (unless you have a copy of your own) it costs a fortune. I still don't see why they can't rerelease it to theaters, then back to a special-special-special Edition... or at least just the latter.

    It's a shame you never see sizable film re-releases anymore. I remember Disney used to keep re-releasing all it's old movies back to theaters and that was well into the 90's.
  14. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    They're not jaded, they're clueless. They want to think they're jaded. ;)

    Hmm well I kinda understand what you mean. But the Beatles have always had broad appeal. That's why they're considered the greatest rock n roll band of all time and certain "Stones" will always be #2. ;)

    Yeah but "old=bad" is the only message some kids will hear. Thankfully there will always be kids who feel differently, but of course they'll be treated like wierdos (by both kids and adults). ;)

    That's a shame that it's harder to find now. If this did happen, it would be nice if they then rereleased the original. That would only help as far as bringing in even more money, hehe.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    But, I must say this... there is NO doubt in my mind that the remake will ever replace, or even come close to the original to the general public. No remake has ever replaced the original... no matter how many sequels or how many roles that Eddie Murphy played. Not even the millions and billions of 101 and 102 Dalmatians live action merchandise Disney forced down everyone's throats. Remakes will ALWAYS be looked at with suspicion... and not just by people like us.

    Take the 1990's remake of Psycho. Virtually everyone said "What was the point?" with that one. The guy promised to remake it to the letter, shot for shot (which it wasn't, as anyone can tell you), but people still thought it was a terrible idea, and it didn't do well at all. Meanwhile, the original Psycho has been referenced a thousand times, and is still considered one of the greatest suspense films of all times.

    That said, I think the wisest man in the world is Michael Cain. In an interview he gave the sagest advice I've ever heard.... remake a flop. It worked for him. Look at Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Not only do people not even remember the original (which flopped badly), they made a Broadway Musical based on the remake! One of the only exceptions to the rule of people accepting a remake over the original. But we have Frank Oz and Steve Martin as well as Michael to thank for that one.
  16. Bob1995

    Bob1995 Well-Known Member

    Wait... Motion Capture? That's like trying to remake Fantasia in live action!
  17. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    If it's anything like that Beowulf movie, I'm definitely not seeing it. That was an absolute travesty.
  18. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I liked parts of Beowulf. It was a movie ahead of its technology with a director increasingly less interested in actual storytelling.

    I've been saying that since his Forest Gump film came out. To be honest, Zemekis began as a good filmmaker heading projects like fun Romancing the Stone, the blockbuster Back to the Future and then Who Framed Roger Rabbit. The following BTTF films where more about the effects than the film and that's where the wheels fell off the wagon for me.

    Forest was an excuse to thread together a bunch of technological sight gags. Some where touched by the story, but I just wasn't as sold. Death Becomes Her had spectacular actors and performances, but little else besides a "wow, look what we can do" sort of attitude. I adore Who Framed Roger Rabbit. It's one of my favorite movies, but still feel that much of the film would have been better had Spielberg actually taken the reigns himself. He usually shows a lot more balance with story and technology. At least back then he did.

    Now Zemekis seems too self indulgent with the CG. Polar Express was pretty much a zombie movie with hollow-seeming characters. Monster House got it better using some stylization and maybe Christmas Carol will too. Still, I am digging James Cameron's more thoughtful approach to the use of CG in his new Avatar trailer. That sort of techno-film making feels like a treat rather than a result of studio cynicism that everything must have a particular new look.

    This is an example of good original CG done right.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm just gonna come out and say it. I don't like motion capture all that much, outside of Henson's digital puppetry. I kinda dug the old 1930's rotoscoping technique (especially in Betty Boop cartoons with Cab Calloway)... but something about motion capture just... well... it doesn't feel all that free and animated. Pixar has to make it appoint to say "We don't motion capture! This is all us." at the end of their movies now.

    And I totally agree with you on Polar Express. If they were trying to make it look like the illustrations of the book, the only got it partially right on the backgrounds. Them people looked so stuff... and like Tom Hanks. No thank you.
  20. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I mean that's what went wrong with Dinosaur. All the motion capture.

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