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Zootopia! Never been so excited for a CG film

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by beaker, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Anyone who knows me, knows I am generally not the biggest fan of not just most talking animal cg kids films, but most cg kids films in general. Pixar feels hit or miss for me, I haven't bothered to see a Dreamworks film since Monsters vs Aliens. But the moment I saw concept art for Disney's Zootopia in 2013 I knew it was going to be something special. And now with less than a month away and a bunch of new trailers, I have to say I don't think I've ever been so excited for a modern Disney film. Everything about the colors, style, chemistry, architecture, vibe, etc just feels so fresh and alive. I love the personality of the character Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde, and it just seems like such a great breath of fresh air to the anthro animal genre. It also serves as a not so subtle commentary on society today, as well as just looks so fun. Almost getting
    a slight Roger Rabbit with a hint of Miami Vice vibe.



     
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  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Frankly, I wasn't too excited when I heard about Zootopia. Not "I'd never bother with this film" not excited, but certainly not the pins and needles I got from Wreck-it Ralph's announcement or Big Hero Six.

    Then I saw the trailer.

    I'm bouncing off the walls for this one. It seems like this film is already getting a huge fanbase before it even came out, and not doubt anthro fans of all angles (ones that like them and ones that really like them, and you know what I mean by that) are chomping at the bit for March 4th to come. There's something about this film that seems amazing to me. Maybe it's the fact it's like a movie version of a 1980's/early 90's Disney TV cartoon, maybe they're doing some deconstruction on the subject of anthro cartoon characters, maybe it's just the sloths. But I went from "eh, probably going to see it anyway" to "can't freaking wait."
     
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  3. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    There's something very lush and painterly about the visuals here. Maybe it's the warm lighting in many shots and the textures of the animals' fur and skin that kinda make it look like an oil painting, but I'm loving the look of it. It also seems to play with animal stereotypes in a much better manner than 2005's Chicken Little, seemingly utilizing them to satirize modern society rather than just make a bunch of obvious jokes.
     
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh heck, the deviant art furry artists can go wild with this. I mean we've been on again off again fans of hollywood computer generated kids films since what, 20 years ago? Toy Story, Ants, Small Soldiers, Bugs Life? And since the late 2000's we've seen more misses than hits with the genre. Glut after glut, misstep after misstep. Dreamworks chief amongst the less than stellar films, but Fox and Universal are to blame too.

    But man, Zootopia(or, for our European friends, Zootropolis) I kind of liked Big Hero 6, at least in part. I kind of liked Bolt and Tangled, hated Frozen. But as far as non Pixar, modern Disney animation. Zootopia feels visionary. It's like the "3d" Disney I always imagined. It feels smart, it tackles a lot of uncomfortable issues in American society from a sly point, has multi dimensional characters, and stars probably the most loveable female character ever with Jason Bateman as a reluctant hero-con artist who feels right out of Beverly Hills Cop or Miami Vice. Theres no guns in this cop drama, but the action and urgency seems none the less intense.

    It's funny, I googled "Zootopia Roger Rabbit" and I found this little piece of promo art that the creator and director of Zootopia posted
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I really blame the small little fifth and sixth party companies (like Lionsgate) that dump out cheap little Dorothy's Adventures in Oz, Gnomeo and Juliet, and Norm of the North type crap. I'm not a huge fan of Sony, but some of their latest movies were decent. Certainly not the Open Season franchise which just...it's terrible.

    I like that Disney has both Pixar and their own studio, and it was a shame that for a little while they were making better films than Pixar was at the time. I think that they're the straight A student that everyone wants to fail, so when they make a less than stellar movie, everyone piles on them for it. Then we keep getting Ice Ages and they keep making money overseas and no one says anything but "ugh, another one." Seriously, Blue Sky... Robots was your best independent work (I don't count The Peanuts Movie because the Schulz kids wrote it). Nope, Ice Age and Rio made money, so let's sequel those.

    As I always say, sure we can talk about the glut of CGI movies now, but we keep forgetting the glut of bad traditionally animated movies other studios were making since Beauty and the Beast was a success.
     
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  6. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    Can't wait here too. I admit I was skeptical at first but, now I am excited.
     
  7. C to the J

    C to the J Active Member

    For once, they made a teaser trailer that has original animation/gags most likely not to be seen in the movie. I remember the part with Olaf sniffing a flower in the first Frozen trailer and the part with Hiro putting the super suit on Baymax in the first Big Hero 6 trailer, and what do you know? They were used in the movies.

    I believe The Good Dinosaur sort of missed the mark with their very first trailer, since everything in their teaser trailer is seen again in the actual movie. Seems to me Pixar's habit of keeping teaser trailers completely original is slipping away.

    Looks like WDAS are really getting somewhere! From what I've observed, Zootopia only has mammals, so I guess we won't be expecting birds, reptiles, amphibians, etcetra.
     
  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I refuse to ever see Frozen, every thing about Frozen rubs me the wrong way. But I do love non Pixar Disney 3d films. I loved Bolt and Chicken Little, and I like some of Big Hero 6.(which is TECHNICALLY a Marvel Comics film)

    I am predicting that Zootopia, not Wreck It Ralph, will be the rightful heir to Roger Rabbit
     
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I find that Frozen gets too much hate and too much love at the same time. If there's anything I can respect about it, it's that if they made it a traditional (read: formulaic) Disney Princess movie it would have sucked more. I mean, Animaniacs pegged Disney for that back in their Pocadottas parody. I have a respect for it in that aspect, but Disney should rope it in with the merchandise.

    Besides. Star Butterfly is Disney's best princess to date. And she's a TV show.

    This movie looks to be a smash (or at least it should be), and I really hope this thing becomes more than just a movie. Zootopia sounds like it could work as a television series if done right. Still think Big Hero deserves a TV or comic book series. I loved that movie, but it seems that it could have been the framework for something bigger.
     
  10. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I don't see why Disney has to be so neglectful of its TV princesses (apart from Sofia, but then again, she is from a preschool show). But hey, Star's got it easy compared to Eilonwy from The Black Cauldron.
     
  11. fuzzygobo

    fuzzygobo Well-Known Member

    First movie in a while you can take someone MY age to go see! 8)
     
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Still ticked Mattel didn't release a Mira Nova with the rest of Buzz Lightyear's Star Command.

    But yeah, I've always had that problem with Disney Princesses. I can see where the Madam O's comes in. The movies make all the princesses proactive, then they turn them (even Merida) into vapid tea drinking in their dresses merchandising pawns. I love how Ralph, Hero 6, and Zootopia are able to create strong female characters that aren't princess toys. And though Vanelope was really a Princess, she didn't want the title and hardly acted like one (and she was all the better for it). It's not hard to make a movie that appeals to both boys and girls, and Disney has proven that for the most part. I'm always loving something unconventional like Emperor's New Groove, Chicken Little, Lilo and Stitch, and the like more than most of the Princess based films. Though I do love Aladdin, and it's subsequent TV show, and that's considered a Princess film because of Jasmine.

    But anyway, yeah. That's why Zootopia really strikes me. No fairy tales, just an original animated story with original characters. Judy seems to be the heroine Disney needs instead of something to just tampoprint on plastic pretend tea sets.
     
  13. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I'm looking forward to this one because the previews show how the world is adapted to creatures of all sizes, and I've always found the logistics of an anthro world to be pretty interesting. Plus the animation looks awesome too.
     
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  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well for some reason, even though Disney owns Marvel, Disney decided not to brand or market Big Hero 6 as a Marvel film...Even tho IT IS a Marvel comic book. So weird. Heck Stan Lee had a cameo in BH6.
    Dr Tooth, have you noticed that the Disney films you and I really like, seem to end up box office disappointments? Maybe it was you, but I sort of remember us agreeing that Emperors New Groove, Fantasia 2000 and Pixar's Up failed to capture the public's attention in the way other Disney films did. Heck I love Disney's first NON Pixar 3D film everyone forgot about, Chicken Little. While modern post Ratatouie films enjoy that lush but doughy look, something about Disney's non Pixar 3D films look even more gorgeous for some reason. I think we both agree Robots is an amazing looking 3d film, even by todays standards. And I say Rango is the best looking 3d cg kids film, ever.

    Sadly there is no Zootopia video game or comic book, let alone tv show planned. But if, if it's a success in any measure that could change. I bought all the Zootopia figures and playsets at Target and Toys R Us, and they're really amazing. Sadly Up, Bolt and Emperors New Groove had no merch. So there's that.

    One more thing, is it me or did the last few Pixar films tank in public perception? I don't know a soul who liked Good Dinosaur, Brave or Cars 2...tho I did sort of like Inside Out.

    now yes, I do not like modern pop music, but I thought the footage in the new Shakira official video for Zootopia was amazing. Not since 2009 Up have I felt teary eyed watching heartfelt chemistry in a Disney film
     
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    To be fair, Princess properties by the haus of maus aren't at all supposed to appeal to folks like us. Same with the (often less than stellar) Disney Jr programming(tho part of me likes the weirdness in Sheriff Callies Wild West design) Lilo and Stitch and Emperors New Groove(and Id add Tarzan) had a lot of interesting concepts, and animation that maybe didnt resonate with people like it should have. I wont include Treasure Planet or Atlantis as those just plain sucked. We all made fun of straight to vhs/dvd disney cheapquels, but I now miss those.

    Top 5 things tho I love about what Im seeing and reading about Zootopia

    - it's pg, not g
    - it's the most modern Disney film ever. Whip smart script, tackles a lot of
    hot button social issues some parents may not even be comfortable with(but in a sly way), makes fun of virtually every mainstream social trend in America(smart phone addiction, big box stores, uber, social media, marketing, etc)
    - stars a female protagonist in a way that will strongly appeal to BOTH genders and people of all ages(unlike Frozen, and hate to say it, unlike Tangled)
    - The exquisite color palette, design, look is just gorgeous
    - finally, the chemistry. from all the clips and trailers Ive seen, I can tell I'll be grinning ear to ear with the chemistry between not just Hopps and Wilde, but all the supporting characters as well. To me this is the mad cap inclusive world Wreck it Ralph wanted to be but failed at, and perhaps a true heir to Roger Rabbit. But of course, we'll see! I could end up not being in love with the film, but so far Im just loving all the trailers in a way I havent with modern Disney
     
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I never really understood that either, but to the best of my assumptions, I'd say that Disney wanted to keep it separate from a Marvel comic brand because there were so many Marvel films released that year on the part of Fox and Sony having their pieces of the Marvel pie before the sale went down. Plus, I hear the original comics were just thin parodies of Sentai shows, so Disney completely changed the characters anyway. Still, I know it was a Marvel movie, everyone knew it was a Marvel movie, Disney was fooling themselves, but I'd get that the mainstream audience probably never heard of this series.

    Still, it's a shame they didn't relaunch the comics with those versions of the characters. This really had the potential to be a boy brand every way that Frozen is a girl's brand itself (it's treated separately from the other Princesses, actually), but I guess they have Star Wars and the rest of Marvel, so that's enough somehow.

    I know that there will always be little girls that like little girly things. Still, I never got the whole proactive female role that most princesses had after Belle, only to just play the stereotype in the merchandising.

    Though I do give credit to their new line of preschool programming not being as mindlessly robotic and faux-interactive like Dora. How that became a legitimate model for kid's television will always elude me.
     
  17. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    *Lobs hand grenade pumpkin bomb in the direction of Dorka and her new Guycrap commercial. Talk about doubling down on the crap factor.

    Dunno if I'll be able to get to the theaters to watch Zootopia opening weekend or even at all. Never got out to Episode VII, The Boars A-Brakin'.
    :boo: Heh, that sounds like a bad parody.
    :sleep: You should have seen the original!

    Personally I'm looking forward with great excitement to Coco next year and Night on Bald Mountain whenever it's scheduled for release. :scary:
     
  18. MikaelaMuppet

    MikaelaMuppet Well-Known Member

    So excited!

    My favorite character would have to be:

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    I'm in the "I'll wait until the reviews come out" boat. The movie looks decent and the plot seems like it's never been done before, but the trailers haven't really made me laugh out loud. Hopefully the characters will be good enough to over look the comedy ...
     
  20. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    awww, loving "Mayoral Assistant Bellweather", the lady sheep character


    Some early reviews coming in. What I'm reading is that the movie is essentially a take on the sort of 40s-50s noir vibe of LA Confidential, Chinatown, or even Amblin/Disney's Roger Rabbit mixed with heavy doses of socio-political themes and a lot of good chemistry
    http://www.slashfilm.com/zootopia-reviews/
     


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