And America Continues to Show it's True Colors. . .

[Old Thunder]

Also, even if their side was fighting for the wrong cause, the Germans of WWII had some genuine heroes.

Take Franz Stigler, for instance. He had the opportunity to shoot down a damaged B-17, but decided it was an unfair go and instead escorted it back over the English Channel and out of harm's way.

For more, read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident

 

[Censored]

Also, even if their side was fighting for the wrong cause, the Germans of WWII had some genuine heroes.

Take Franz Stigler, for instance. He had the opportunity to shoot down a damaged B-17, but decided it was an unfair go and instead escorted it back over the English Channel and out of harm's way.

For more, read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident

A hero is someone who risks their own life and safety for a more noble cause. Why are you so obsessed with calling people who fought on the wrong side of a war, heroes?

 

[Old Thunder]

You do realize that Franz Stigler fits everything you just said?

A hero is someone who risks their own life and safety for a more noble cause.

Stigler risked his life in three ways:
1) If the Germans had found out about this, he would likely have been court-martialed and executed.
2) He could have been shot down by the B-17's gunners.
3) He could have been targeted by anti-aircraft fire.

He risked his neck to help an unknown enemy, against orders because of his better judgement.

I'm not sure what you base a hero upon, but to me, he's deserved the right to be called one.

As I said, I'm just here to remind you of some instances in which even those we know as the "bad guys" had moments of heroism.

You won't see me praise the actions of, say, Rommel or Himmler, but some of the normal folk thrown into the war, while fighting for the wrong side, were not the despicable creatures some, like you, seem to want to believe.

 

[Censored]

You do realize that Franz Stigler fits everything you just said?


Stigler risked his life in three ways:
1) If the Germans had found out about this, he would likely have been court-martialed and executed.
2) He could have been shot down by the B-17's gunners.
3) He could have been targeted by anti-aircraft fire.

He risked his neck to help an unknown enemy, against orders because of his better judgement.

I'm not sure what you base a hero upon, but to me, he's deserved the right to be called one.

As I said, I'm just here to remind you of some instances in which even those we know as the "bad guys" had moments of heroism.

You won't see me praise the actions of, say, Rommel or Himmler, but some of the normal folk thrown into the war, while fighting for the wrong side, were not the despicable creatures some, like you, seem to want to believe.

The only way to be a hero in those situations is to go against the cause that you were called to fight for.

 

[Old Thunder]

Well what on earth did he do?

 

[Censored]

Well what on earth did he do?

It sounds like a brave act. He was still on the wrong side and I wouldn't be putting any statues up of him anytime soon. Interesting that you bring up him instead of Oskar Schindler.

 

[Old Thunder]

Schindler was a hero as well, but he wasn't the only one.

 

[Censored]

Schindler was a hero as well, but he wasn't the only one.

He was because it takes a lot to be a hero. The word gets overused too much.

The bottom line is whether statues honoring Confederate soldiers or WWII German soldiers are appropriate. I would say no.

 

[Old Thunder]

Still, if this is how you judge a hero:

A hero is someone who risks their own life and safety for a more noble cause.

The only way to be a hero in those situations is to go against the cause that you were called to fight for.

then Stigler passes with flying colors, as does Schindler.

And as for the statues, they've been up for years, there's no reason to take them down now.

Is there anyone else around to talk about this instead of just us two?

 

[MikaelaMuppet]

I love Cheers and that just made me laugh.