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Does Puppet Heap build The Muppets now?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by mupcollector1, Nov 20, 2011.

  1. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Does Puppet Heap build The Muppets now or is The Jim Henson Company still involved in some way in the making of The Muppets?

    If Puppet Heap does build for The Muppets now, I'm glad they built a lot of the rare characters from The Muppet Show for the new Muppet Movie. Although personally I think they still need some work on some characters like Fozzie (I feel that his fur is too fluffy, and his eyes are kind of seperated) and Gonzo (It seems like his eye lids don't move far back like it used to). But they're trying and they're building in my opinion has gotten a little bit better than last year.

    Anyway, how come The Jim Henson Company isn't building The Muppets? I heard somewhere that it was because the Henson Company wanted more money and Disney decided to look for an alternative. Then again, that could have been a rumor.
     
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Fozzie just looks attrocious, and yeah Gonzo looks way off. Otherwise everyone else looks AMAZING...from Kermit, Floyd and Piggy to Rowl(bee-yoo-ti-ful) to Behemoth, etc. No idea why they couldn't use the Fozzie and Gonzo they had been using for the 2008-2009 muppets.com and youtube videos.
     
  3. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Well Muppets and any kind of television hand puppet made of foam latex disinergreates after usage. Though when I went for a tour of The Muppet Workshop back in 1998, they told me that the main characters had a finalized sculpted model in which they casted using liquid foam latex so they could build the characters not only faster but accurate. Why Puppet Heap doesn't do this, I have no idea. I don't know why Puppet Heap can't get the molds from the Henson Workshop or like I mentioned before, why even have an alternative workshop building for the characters that have been The Jim Henson Company's since 1954.
     
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well I hate to make disparaging remarks about their work, as I personally think virtually all of the builds in the film are amazing to behold. It's just I found it distracting every time Fozzie was on and seeing his shiny odd fur and new head sculpt, same with Gonzo's new face sculpt/eye placement. I mean is the 2008 Fozzie in that bad of disrepair, or the fabric really that rare as people have said? Who knows

    But it sounds like Puppet Heap does things a bit differently than Workshop did
     
  5. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if anyone has seen this in the ending credits of the new Muppet movie but there's like three parties that built for that film.

    Puppet Head
    Jim Henson's Creature Shop (they were credited for costumes which I found a little strange but was happy to see the name in the credits)
    and before all that, it says "Muppet Workshop"

    Now is there now a new official Muppet Workshop? If so, that'll be great.

    Another thing that has been on my mind all this week is that well the new Muppet productions are in CA, but Puppet Heap is in New Jersey according to my research. Now that would be kind of difficult in terms of production. Now I know that the old Muppet workshop (owned by Henson at the time) was in New York and they would somehow ship the puppets to where ever the studio was, even if it was in a different state.

    Then again during The Muppet Show, there was two workshops, one in New York, then one in London which I think was in the same studio as where they filmed the show, and the main purpose was so they could build or repair characters or props last minute.

    But did they do the same for Muppets Tonight? Wasn't Muppets Tonight filmed in Canada?
     
  6. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Yea i seen all of the ending credits too! :cool:
     
  7. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    That is odd! I kind of now wish Puppet Heap was in New York City:) Kind of have that torch passed...but they still have a thing called "Muppet Workshop"? Very cool.
    I guess it's Disney's internal puppet makers?

    I think it's interesting that there is this legal and actual segregation of Jim Henson Company from the Muppets(unlike Sesame Street, who openly call their characters Muppets...they cant with Fraggle Rock) But they used the JHC lot for the Muppet Studio tour in the beginning of the movie. So Im glad there is still a relative relation going on.
     
  8. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, what happened with Disney and the Jim Henson Workshop? I heard that Disney didn't want to pay Henson more money so they switched to the alternative, Puppet Heap.
     
  9. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Well, when Disney got the Muppets, they made a special deal with The Jim Henson Company allowing them to continue building the Muppets and developing ideas for Muppets for five years (which has expired by now), though it seems most of the Muppet stuff planned during that time got canceled.
     
  10. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I know that Muppets Wizard of Oz was in development during the Jim Henson Company time then they finally made it around the time of when the deal was made by Disney.
     
  11. bluebomber95

    bluebomber95 Member

    I like Puppet Heap's work. The new Fozzie's not bad, IMO, and he'll no doubt change in (at most) a few years, anyway. The other characters looked fan-flippin'-tastic. Props to them for taking on Thog.
     
  12. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well it's just from certain angles and lighting, Fozzie to me looks like he has matted shiny plush toy hair. Not sure whats up with that, but yeah the rest of the Muppets(cept for Gonzos eyes/post 2009 face sculp imho) could not look more perfect. Rowlf, Scooter, Piggy, my goodness. And all the other rebuilt TMS characters. Pure magic!
     
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  13. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah I totally agree with you on that. Especially the characters that haven't been seen in decades like Wayne and Wanda, Thog, Beautiful Day Monster and Nigel.
     
  14. bluebomber95

    bluebomber95 Member

    Yeah, thank god they fixed flat-head Scooter. That thing gave me the creeps.
     
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  15. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah, that's right, they did fix Scooter. Yeah Scooter now looks much better.;)
     
  16. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    nice i love the puppets they make
     
  17. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Yes!! They Do! I just went to see The Muppets tonight (for the third time) and this time I stayed for the whole credits and I saw that Puppet Heap does help build and design Muppets along with The Jim Henson Company
     
  18. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    It seems like Jim Henson's Creature Shop is credited for costumes which I sort of thought was strange, they most have done something else in the film then just costumes.
     
  19. monkeyjb1988

    monkeyjb1988 Member

    I thought the Muppets looked great. I actually liked Fozzie's fur and had no problems with any of the characters...okay, I though Walter looked a little bland, but his personality made up for that, plus the fact he's a new character and was not part of the question. I liked their looks, just as much as the movie.

    What the...? All the characters were cast in foam latex? News to me. When did this happen? Pretty cool.

    Not cool? Puppet Heap did great, but you can't kick the Muppet Workshop out like that? Too bad on that. :(
     
  20. mupcollector1

    mupcollector1 Well-Known Member

    I think the foam latex stuff happened around the mid 1990s because if you look at the characters from The Muppets Tonight time through out the last few years of The Jim Henson Company owning The Muppets, the characters looks seem to be the same. And of course they couldn't have been using the same puppets because foam
    disintegrates quickly. So I think the Foam latex thing was one of the things they

    were working on during the time I was there. I even seen Gonzo's head in this clear diner plate glass. It was weird but cool. I think they showed me Miss Piggy too on a stand. It was one of the greatest times of my life.

    Plus it was around the time when they were still building the puppets for Elmo in Grouch Land and they were building all the other grouches and the skulls where all foam latex molded instead of the traditional carving a block of foam and stuff.

    I remember I asked where were all the Muppets from The Muppet Show or even Muppets Tonight and they told me they were in storage. I think that's when I found out that Muppets Tonight got canceled. Which was a shame, AWESOME SHOW!
     


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