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e-bay-ing Your Puppets...

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by Fozzie Bear, Jul 18, 2005.

  1. Phantom

    Phantom New Member

    I'm definitely not the Audubon guy.

    I'm just trying to be a purple cow in the puppet ministry market. I appreciate what you are saying and if and when I get a solid reputation, I will assess my situation. This whole puppet ministry thing is beginning to unfold before me. I don't know where it will lead, but I feel like I'm finding my purpose.

    Thank you for "don't de-value YOUR work or YOUR worth!!" You, sir, are wise. Of course wisdom is the ablility to make good choices, and the ablility to make good choices comes from experience, experience comes from making poor choices and poor choices come from a lack of wisdom....I figure I'm somewhere in the loop...
  2. ButchCat

    ButchCat Active Member

    I use to build puppets for eBay and I was doing real good for a while but then more and more people got the same idea and where selling their puppets on eBay too and sadly that made my sales drop and it became very hard to make a living at it anymore. I just wasn't getting what the puppets where worth anymore so I stopped. I wish you all luck with it but the ride does not last long and after a year or two you will see it go down.

    Good Luck

    Terry Angus
  3. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    Glad you didn't do the job for the Audubon...way undervalued job.
    So, how does being a purple cow suit you? I've been playing a "mule" most of my life.

    This is one of the best sentences in the world!! The loop is great writing!! You've GOT to fit that into a script somewhere, someday, somehow...

    I wondered what happened there. The puppets you've built were great! Hope you haven't quit building them. Out of curiosity, Terry, didn't you ever submit a resume to all the different companies you can think of? I mean, with your history and all, that should help you stand out above-and-beyond other such resumes!
  4. Phantom

    Phantom New Member

    That's part of the reason I started my own site. The only reason I would consider e-bay is to market my site or to move inventory (Inventory? That's funny, I have one puppet for sale). I know several people here are e-baying and doing well. I don't want to be the competition at auction.

    The exciting thing for me is that I'm starting to generate some traffic and word is spreading.

    (I'm hoping I can establish myself locally also and like I said, market to the puppet ministry crowd. My team started with "Sunny and Friends" and that was the first thing to go when I became the leader. I'm not looking to revolutionize the world or even puppetry in general. I'm looking help others teach kids about Jesus.)
  5. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    Cool. Just PLEASE (for me) don't have Puppet Team/Ministry as part of your title. Every church ALWAYS does that. Do something different, PLEASE (for me). :)

    I've so far been a part of Agapeland Puppet Team, His Hands Puppet Ministry, and one other title. I really hate Puppet Team/Ministry as part of a title. I also hate pre-recorded tracks. When I was performing puppetry with groups, I always fought hard to be sure we could do things live!! Pre-recorded music is fine with me, but I want to do live vocals.

    And, look at me. I'm just rambling rambling rambling today, aren't I.

    "Hey, look! There's Kev!"
    ---------------------> "Blah blah blah blah blah."

    I'll shut up now. :o
  6. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie New Member

    A-men to this! I'm constantly fighting this battle in the writing of TV cartoons. I've turned down jobs when I needed the money because they weren't paying enough. And yes, there's always someone else who will come along and do it for that price, but at least I feel good about myself. If more people would refuse to do the work for rock-bottom (or below) wages, they would have to pay what's fair.

    :p
  7. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Hey there! Welcome back, not seenyou around these parts much. Looking forward to more stories soon!
  8. PaulyPuppets

    PaulyPuppets New Member

    I totally agree that you should not undersell yourself when selling outside of Ebay. For example if I meet a producer who wants me to build him a puppet for a video production, I'm gonna charge him top dollar. But rest assured, he will get a puppet made with the finest materials and the way a puppet for this venue SHOULD be built. However, if you want to sell puppets on Ebay, then you better be prepared to sell cheap. The fact is most people who shop for puppets on Ebay have small budgets. But the way to make it work, is to use less expensive (but durable) materials, and to cut back on most of the features that a "TV" puppet would have. It saddens me when I hear talented people say success on Ebay won't last. If you're a creative enough puppet builder, you can make a puppet out of an old sock, and make it look like a million dollar puppet, and get at least 10 times what the sock is really worth. Look at your materials and ask yourself, "what else can I use that will work just as well, but not cost me an arm and a leg?".
    Here's my list (and again, ONLY FOR EBAY SALES)....
    1) Anti Pill or Alpine Fleece instead of Antron
    2) Styro foam balls for eyes (They WILL last, just educate your buyers on how)
    3) Unraveled hangers for arm rods (hundreds for only $35)
    4) Thrift store bought clothes
    5) Average foam sheets , not Scott foam
    6) Learn to become a hot glue gun genius
    You can buy all of these and more at JOANN FABRICS (except the hangers. Look in the Yellow Pages, or do what I did, and simply ask your local Cleaners guy where he buys them),
    but for JOANN materials, stock up when they have monthly sales ONLY (30- 75% off at times)!!!
    ALSO, take advantage of the SECOND CHANCE OFFER Option on EBAY, which allows you to offer your puppet to the runner up bidders for THEIR highest bidding price, then make a duplicate puppet for them. Just make sure you let them know it's a duplicate.
    Make your puppets accessible to Ebayers and they will come back EVERY WEEK, I promise you. Please don't give up, guys ('specially you, Terry. You're too freakin' talented)...Pauly
    http://stores.ebay.com/PUPPETSNSTUFF-PUPPETS
  9. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    I am not a puppet builder, but of course I enjoy puppets, and I look at them occasionally on e-bay (which is more fantasizing than anything else, really). Don't stop putting them on e-bay, because people enjoy them! I always have a mental wish list of ones I've seen that I'd want to buy.
    I realise that this thread is all about getting your money's worth, and as I have no advice on that, this post is a bit of a waste. But I just thought I'd let you know that the work really is appreciated. :)
  10. PaulyPuppets

    PaulyPuppets New Member

    Compliments are never a waste. Thank you. :)
  11. Phantom

    Phantom New Member

    Our church team is POGO (puppeteers obeying God's order...it was that or "No Greater Glove") We only do live performances, no pre-rec stuff. I have a couple of absolutely great performers. We like to set up cameras so that we can see people in front of the stage. At a ministry fair, we were able to yell at people walking by. It was well received. But enough about that...

    I'm not even sure how to value my work. I think I build a really good puppet, but I have no comparison.
  12. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    Pauly, super good and greatly sound advice!! Thanks for posting that to the forum!!

    Phantom, "No Greater Glove" really cracked me up!! That's great! POGO is cool, too; but I begin thinking of a pogo stick, or a certain possum cartoon character from the 40's. ;)
  13. Phantom

    Phantom New Member

    Here is the link for the logo I designed for the team. I've really been blessed.
  14. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    Cool. Did you build all those puppets on the rest of the pictures? And is that your head in the shot with all the puppet heads?
  15. Phantom

    Phantom New Member

    Yeah, all of those are mine. You can see more on my site. It's representative of some but not all.

    And the one that looks like an exploded frog puppet is actually my head...


    The pink one in the album with the yellow hair I have deconstructed with the intention of re-doing her. She's solid, but I removed her wig and am adding golden locks of fleece (She sort of looks like Meg Ryan now...if Meg Ryan had no eyes or a nose). I'm also giving her a nose and ears oh yeah and teeth (Her mouth is really puckered...I'm sewing the mouths of my non-antron puppets now). I built her in a hurry for a Christmas program so she was lacking these things. That also explains the polar fleece, but whachagonnado...
  16. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    Exploded fro--no WAY do you look like an exploded frog. Trust me. I've seen me on too many occasions, so I would know!

    Great puppets. Polar fleece isn't a BAD thing at all. Pauly mentioned it in his post above, and I like to use it for puppets, because it's cheap and you can still yeild a good result.
  17. Phantom

    Phantom New Member

    I like using polar too...for certain things...I built a lion on Sunday (head anyway) out of polar...it turned out nice. (I'm going to use it Sunday for a performance then give it to my son.) I had to go to sewing the mouth though to get a consistent "non-pucker" result. With me, polar fleece and hot glue do not a good combo make.

    I did learn making the nose for the lion however, that if you trim puckers and use really small stitches, that you can hide the pucker cut....say that 10 times fast...

    (that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that)

    I don't know, before Antron, I could get a pucker free mouth with polar and hot glue, but since then I've had problems...sewing works good though. I haven't tried sewing Antron...
  18. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Active Member

    Sometimes a pucker isn't too bad, and adds to the character. One of mine, Frankie Steinatra, looks better with the puckers. If you use foam and make teeth, the pucker in the mouth of an animal isn't too bad, because the audience will focus on the teeth...but, also, the animal likely had fur going that far into the mouth anyhow. Sometimes it can be helped and made to work.
  19. Phantom

    Phantom New Member

    Well, I like the fact puckers in fur are easy to hide. And puckers do add a wabi-sabi (sp) element to it. Of course, I try daily to refine my ablities. I want to build something that others can use for a long time and be proud to own. I'm hoping that a Puppetminister.com puppet will have the quality that will invite repeat business.

    The first ones I've built have now surpassed 2 years of service and still look and work great...but they've been taken good care of (for the most part).


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