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Elmo Replica Here

Discussion in 'Puppet News' started by rtgentry, Oct 23, 2005.

  1. rtgentry

    rtgentry Member

  2. lowercasegods

    lowercasegods Member

    It's not the worst replica, but it does suffer from a little issue which I like to refer to as ILLEGAL!! Hats off to that cool cat from Australia who makes all those dead-on Muppet replicas yet has the integrity (and common sense) not to sell them or the patterns he uses, unlike this chuckle-head.
  3. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    The puppet looks great, but should not be sold on ebay like that. Do they know what copyright means? Oh dear... I love how they called it a "Professional Elmo Puppet". Professional? Not quite. Its not even authentic.

    Is there any way to send this guy a comment or warning telling him that this is not allowed?
  4. Muppetsdownunder

    Muppetsdownunder New Member

    that seller also was selling a Jim Henson puppet that looked great. aswell as bert and ernie. I guess it is illegal but they are from his collection I think and he just wanted to get rid of them, its not that bad, we cant buy the real muppets so why not buy ones that are pretty close. I do disagree with people buying these characters to start a show or give the characters a bad name, or make money out of them but I see no problem than just having them in a collection.
  5. Melonpool

    Melonpool Active Member

    It's always been my understanding that if they clearly label it as a "replica" and not an actual Muppet, there's nothing that Henson/Disney can do. Otherwise, all those phasers and Han Solo gun replicas that are littered all over ebay would be taken off as well.

    I'm not saying this qualifies, but there must be some reason that ebay hasn't pulled any of this guy's auctions.

  6. MGov

    MGov New Member

    Maybe nobody complained about it...

    until now!

    (insert maniacal laughter here)
  7. Keeermit

    Keeermit Active Member

    Its when I see puppets like this on Ebay that I become even prouder of my own work :) That Elmo is way off as far as I am concerned, he looks like he has been bitten on the nose by a bee and is has swollen - and his eyes have shrunk..... poor little Elmo. also his hands are too small from what i can see... but maybe i'm wrong because it is a "professional" puppet after all :)
    Also I am pretty sure that what he is doing is not illegal as long as you don't try and pass it as an original.... the world is full of rip-offs from LV handbags to bugs bunny costumes - But it is always is less quality as you can plainly see in the Elmo which is on Ebay at the moment. Plus this guy is probably buying them for half the price of a puppet builder then getting onto Ebay and selling them for double the price - I know of one other person who does that ( who will remain nameless - but you know who you are :( ) and pretends he is in a partnership with the builder.... naughty naughty
  8. rtgentry

    rtgentry Member

    I tried to purchase some puppet from the guy who is selling the elmo. He has since changed his ebay Id to what it is now. He tries to charge like 1500$ for a kermit. Like Jarrod said before, his work is not even that great. He supposidly works for sesame street in one way or another . I remember his name being Micheal I think.
  9. doctort13

    doctort13 Member


    WOW! That's robbery, charging so much for a puppet who's creative rights are owned by someone else. I am amazed that somebody would pay that much.
  10. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member

    Yeah, I wouldn't pay that much for a fake. That's ridiculous. If it were the real deal, I would be all over that!
  11. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    You'd pay a LOT more for it than that if it were real.

    Actually, I don't think it's bad at all. I just don't have a necessity for other people's characters in my collection anymore; especially not when I need to build my own characters to do some shows with.
  12. KermieBaby47

    KermieBaby47 Well-Known Member

    Hear hear!!!

    I love having my own original puppet. I have an old Kermit that I made in High School, but I'd much rather perform Rufus.

    Well, let's not get crazy. I would LOVE to have an actual Kermit and Rowlf, but that'll never happen. Would be nice to perform them for a living though! Will have to wait for the next round of auditions.

    P.S. Kevin, you got mail!
  13. TopperFraggle

    TopperFraggle Member

    Well I think it's still illegal. Just labeling it a replica is not enough to exempt yourself. The characters image and design is copyrighted. It's not illegal to reproduce it- just to sell it. Not that I care at all. The more I debate the issues of intelectual property and piracy, the more I think humanity is not so concerned with creating art as we are in possessing it. So I say good luck to this seller. Whether or not he makes money, he probably enjoyed the process...

    And while I agree with jarrod that the elmo is just a bit off (just a bit though), it's pretty good. And if I were to try to make a muppet replica by trial and error, what should I do with the ones that are close but not quite there? They may not be good enough for me, but someone else might enjoy them.
  14. Buck-Beaver

    Buck-Beaver Well-Known Member

    Just to correct/clarify this is "illegal" in the sense that it's copyright infringement and violating the rights of the owner (in this case Sesame Workshop). It doesn't matter if it's an exact replica or not, it resembles Elmo so it's considered a derivative work which is prohibited under copyright law. Sesame Workshop can sue the person or seek an injunction prohibiting them from making these but it's really up to them to act.

    My understanding of ebay's TOS (although I haven't read them for awhile) is that they explicitly forbid replicas or items that are considering to be infringing on copyrights or trademarks and they pull these auctions once they're alerted to them.

    People have all kinds of lame ideas and excuses about how to circumvent copyrights and trademarks but what it comes down to in the end is that whether you agree with it or not (and I have a lot of issues with the current copyright system) under U.S. law and the laws of most other countries you cannot profit from an artistic work owned by another person. It's just that simple.
  15. TopperFraggle

    TopperFraggle Member

    Good point. Whether we think it's right or not, the law is pretty cut and dry.
  16. rtgentry

    rtgentry Member


    FISH'N'WOLFE New Member

    I think he's just a Whatnot, no character in particular. Gotta love the Ray Ban's!
  18. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    LOL! Isn't that Crissy?
  19. TopperFraggle

    TopperFraggle Member

    I'd love to get that "fat blue" puppet and have him done up like the guy that was always Grover's customer at the restaurant. Funny how some of the simplest puppet designs make such impressions. If I was going to recreate one of the simple Sesame Street characters, my first choice would be Guy Smiley. That tall head shape is so unique to Henson.

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