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HEH! Work It's been Canceled!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    REALLY?!?! You didn't see this coming ABC?

    Somehow, I don't buy the fact that the GBLT community had a problem with it... it's just a BAD show and a ripoff of Busom Buddies and Tootsie. And those were at least GOOD. Still, I'm surprised Last Man Standing hasn't been canceled yet. That's just TERRIBLE! I tried very hard and it's just... BLEH!

    ABC has been having extraordinary luck until they canned the soaps for cheap talk shows. The ABC Wednsday sitcoms (at least Modern Family and The Middle) managed to get them the sitcom success they've been craving since the 00's.
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Although I knew this series was destined to fail (let's face it, men dressing in drag hasn't been funny since Corporal Klinger), because quite frankly, it rang of desperatation because Hollywood has clearly been out of ideas for years that we're getting sitcoms about the last things there hasn't been sitcomcs about *cough*Outsourced*cough*, THIS i swhat scares me to death about networks anymore.

    You know, back in thegolden age of television, networks would actually air the entire season, from start to finish, and then wait until after that season had finished its run to determine whether or not the series seems like it could be successful or not: nowadays, literally, two episodes, and you're gone. How do you expect a series to build up a following and an audience if you pull it off the air before it even has a chance? Granted, this show was destined for failure, but still, it may have caught on with some kind of demographic.

    Again, networks scare me like that anymore, it really doesn't give me the confidence to try and push forward into branching out into television, because it makes me worry that suppose I have a show, and it doesn't seem like anybody is watching, and it's only been two episodes? The network will just go ahead and pull it off the air, and it didn't even get a chance to be seen, as opposed to running the entire first season, giving it time for people to take notice, THEN deciding whether or not the numbers indicate it was successful or not. Who are these people, network executives, or gestapo agents?

    Plus, these guys THINK they know what they want, but they really don't... they think they want either carbon copies of The Office (yes, Modern Family, and those shows fall into that category clearly), or like someone said in another thread, NBC clearly wants a new Seinfeld and is trying it out on bad comedians like Whitney and now Chelsea Handler (and come on, the premise for Chelsea's show is STUPID... someone else plays her, while she plays her sister? That'd be like if Brad Garrett played Raymond and Ray Romano played Robert), and do any of these shows get any kind of positive feedback? No. You know why? Because people are sick of these kinds of shows... if you actually read through feedback and such, people express exactly the kind of television they want to see right now, and there's surprisingly a large number of people out there, ranging from people in their teens to baby boomers, who are basically saying, make shows like you used to again, make shows with genuinely funny concepts that don't have to rely on foul language, sexual situations, and cheap laughs, with genuinely likable and believable characters instead of sketch-show type characters that are thrown into the mix... Glee was SUPPOSED to fall into that category, but it's just like every other show on TV, there's nothing different about it, except that it's musical.

    I have no faith in the future of American entertainment. I just don't. This might as well be one of thse "signs of the end-time" kind of things, because Ameican entertainment continues to go to **** in a handbasket at a break-neck speed.
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  3. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    TV has lost so much of its audience to the Web, and they really have no idea what to do. Plus they just don't want to spend the money on new ideas.
  4. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I'm actually stunned it took this long for them to cancel it.
  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well, what do you expect? I mean seriously, what IS there on TV to watch nowadays anyway? You've got your choice of either: reruns of classic sitcoms heavily butchered to the point you lose 5% of the show for commercials, modern sitcoms that contain vulgar content and unlikable characters, reality shows that have no actual reality to them whatsoever, crime dramas that try to outdo the number of versions of Law and Order, or sports.
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  6. Muppet fan 123

    Muppet fan 123 Well-Known Member

    Modern Family is a geniusly funny show. But recently, it's been.. well.. off.
    It hasn't been funny in a while but it's second season was so good that I already dedicated myself to that show. The Thanksgiving and Christmas episodes were good actually. But it's still not that good. I have hope that it'll come back and better.
    Surburgatory is a great show too. ABC still has some good stuff but it's ratings are still plumeting.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think Outsourced was dealt a terrible card. It was at least more genuine than that horrid Whitney show they replaced it with. The characters felt genuine, and it dealt with a growing concern about the subject matter... all the while not making Indians look like stupid versions of Apu from the Simpsons... that was something that was an unfortunate fixture in sitcoms for a while. It did good until NBC felt it needed to shove the thing at a 10 PM time slot... that almost killed 30 Rock too. I really hate that 30 Rock is on at 8, opposite Big Bang and Up all Night gets to 9:30 slot 30 Rock demands. It's not that Up all Night is a bad show, but it seems like a romantic comedy film cut up into half hour pieces. it's too boring for me.

    Golden Age nothing... look at Seinfeld. That's regarded as one of the best sitcoms of all time, and it was on the cancellation block many times. They just managed to give it a chance. Even look at Family Guy... Fox canceled that twice before it became their cash cow.

    But the golden era wasn't as kind as everyone thinks it was. I don't even need to explain this next example... Star Trek.

    I don't like regression... I don't think everything should be sex and soft core... but once the cat's out of the bag, it's hard to let it back in. I also RULLY hate people saying "make stuff the way you used to again" because, who are we kidding? They'd find a way to screw that up on some level. No greater example of trying to regain a former glory and failing is ABC's 00's Sitcom line up. They were trying WAAAAAY too hard to go back to the 80's/90's glory days of TGIF and Home Improvement and Full House type family shows. And what did we get? According to Jim? My Wife and Kids? Hope and Faith? The three unfunniest shows on the planet. I uh... ashamedly admit I dig George Lopez... at least he had some good play with his mother character.

    The thing is, try as you might, it's very hard to recapture the lightning in a bottle of a classic show. I see it this way... you either wind up with something completely different and unlikable or something exactly the same and a retread. I defy someone to say that if they made a new Animaniacs with the same voice actors, writers, producers... everything to the smallest detail that they'd love it just the same and not say that the quality is gone on some level.

    Still, it seems to me that Chelsea and Whitney are BOTH victims of trying to make things the way they used to be... they have 1990's Friends ripoff/ seasonal replacement written all over them. The Office did manage to save sitcoms, just not as we know them. I have to say, I don't mind losing the laugh track for character development. I love stuff like The Middle and Raising Hope. They feel a lot more realistic than some Schnider from 1 Day at a Time knockoff making sexual comments to the camera and having the laugh track cranked up to 11 for a cheap joke. That's kinda what Friends was for me... and especially that lame, overrated Will and Grace thing.
  8. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    That show I actually liked because it was so character driven. Each character had a specific comedic note to play, you anticipated it, and it always delivered. It's simple but effective. :)
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I felt Hope and Faith to be too forcefully and artificially homespun, According to Jim a bit homophobic (or at least too alpha male), and My Wife and Kids... well... just unfunny. I liked Damon Wayans MUCH better in In Living Color where they actually let him be funny. But there's just something about George's show that was appealing on some level. I started rewatching it, thinking I was just under some weird spell, and I found myself still laughing at it. Plus, it was nice that they dealt with kids who actually misbehaved and had real problems. But that play between George and his mother was just... I dunno... something about it was great. usually you'd see that sort of thing with a mother in law, not directly a mother.

    Still, they were clearly grasping at straws with those sitcoms that they just couldn't grab. I will admit, my tastes have changed a bit... but I still think Full House, Perfect Strangers and Family Matters had a certain something about them that made them hard to not like. I didn't really dig some of the mid-late 90's TGIF titles... but then it's a biased about the treatment of Muppets Tonight and especially Dinosaurs. And I hate Step by Step for some reason (maybe because the show's wacky break out funny neighbor character wound up being a wife beater in real life)... but whatever 1980's-90's family sitcom magic ABC was trying to recapture in the 00's era, they just didn't.

    Meanwhile, Modern Family and The Middle are family sitcoms that break the mold... The Middle is hardly the saccharine fairy tale that Family Sitcoms usually turned into, and Modern Family, as Office "knockoff" as it is, actually managed to outshine the Office for me. I love how all the subplots always converge at the end. It took thinking outside the box and giving us something new to get the quality they were always looking for.

    Meanwhile, I tried VERY hard to watch Last Man Standing, and all it was Home Improvement's Alpha Male jokes without the punchline that the alphamale's always wrong and gets blown up... and Al.
  10. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Suburgatory is really good, too. The main character isn't a dumb bimbo, and I enjoy her snarky attitude. Plus, it was created by the same person who created As Told By Ginger (another criminally under-appreciated show), so I kind of get those same vibes watching it.
  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    When I saw the promos for Suburgatory, I thought finally something different, and it did look good at first, I like that for once in a long time they used a relatively unknown for the lead as opposed to just giving it to some big-name celebrity for the sake of trying to reel in an audience... then I saw the box of condoms, and said well that's it, so much for something different.
    I'm not talking about the 90s, I'm talking about the 60s and 70s.
    I'm not talking about trying to recreate what was once before to every last little detail, I'm talking about at least trying recapture the essence of what was one before... I don't think of it as regression, that's really not it at all, it's just taking a chance on something different... that's exactly the attitude Lord Grade had towards TMS, just taking a chance on something different. You know, like, you want to get into animation, right? But haven't you said that you find it discouraging that most people automatically knock new cartoons because they're new? It's all about taking a chance on something different... while I'm not getting into animation, I'mstill trying to branch out from miniscule YouTube videos and into television, and just like I'm sure you do, all I want is to be given a chance with something different, and I'm sure there's others out there who feel the same way.
  12. Xerus

    Xerus Well-Known Member

    Which is why I prefer to put my creations on the internet where my creativity isn't network controlled.
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Well even with the internet you've got problems, namely a limited audience, as there's a surprising large amount of people out there who don't have regular access to the internet, either because they can't afford it, they don't live in an are where they can get a reliable connection, or they're just not computer-savvy... whereas just about everybody has basic television. Plus, independence does help, granted it too has a lot of downfalls, especially when it comes to finances, but independence is a better way to ensure what you create remains yours.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I knew "Work It" wouldn't work. Neither the commercials nor the show were funny. Period. Anything can be made funny by funny writers so the drag element had nothing to do with its failure. That's a cop-out. Many of the "Bosom Buddies" episodes still hold up as being funny today.

    The LGBT community in San Francisco really wasn't even aware of the show in the first place! I did notice and read about the GLAAD's knee-jerk reaction to the premise. There are many trans-gendered people fighting for acceptance within their gay peers. Their social progression is about where gay rights were in the 70's. Their lives have yet to be adequately explored in the world of film and television. "Transamerica" was a good first effort, but just a glimpse. In the end it's not about agreeing about the lives of others. It's about understanding, acceptance and tolerance of others. While I understand GLAAD's objection, it just seemed heavy-handed.

    "Work It" had talented actors and a powerhouse network behind it, yet no humor or imagination from the writers or producers. That's why it failed and I'm very glad it did. ;)
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Essence is lightning in a bottle. The harder you try to capture it, the more you lose it. I'd rather watch something from the 60's and 70's than something trying way too hard to be just like it. Plus, frankly, I've always HATED the Brady Bunch. I understand the camp value. I love Lucy, The Dick VanDyke show, Get Smart... high quality and examples of the golden age, all.

    Maybe what makes those shows special IS that they don't make them like that anymore. If they did, they'd blend in like everything else.

    Still, I hate when people confuse quality for matter of taste. I don't think Friends is a bad show, but I hate it. I find Will and Grace completly overrated and underfunny, but I understand for whatever reason it was popular. There are things that aren't my cup of tea, and I dislike them, but I can't bring myself to call them "bad." Glee for example. Universal bad is what I strive to look for. Something that's unappealing on every level. I don't find that with most modern sitcoms. Quite the opposite. I think some really found their stride and their niche. But Whitney is bad on every level... critics who pretended to find it fresh and funny because it was about a "realistic" couple flip flopped when they realized how stale the jokes are. The viewership has been steadily dropping.

    Still, I respect even a BAD scripted TV show for hiring union writers, and not that sweatshop that reality TV is.

    Moreover, I guess I've read internet comments one time too many. Half the comments are just "Stop sucking." Like I said before, we can't have character revivals because they're never as good, we can't have new things because new things are never good... some of us get awfully sick of just having old things to watch, and we're aching for something new.
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  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I never double post to quote, but this came out just as I finished...

    I must add... I find it hilarious that a Transgendered voice actress went completely unnoticed, especially since she was the voice of Meowth on Pokemon. You'd think some religious organization would have been up in arms about it, but it was so low key that no one said a thing. Too bad she's gone now... she was very talented.

    Work it worked (or should have) on the premise of how stupid the job market is. We can whine about Recessions and new normals and all that, but what it comes down to is nepotism, the Catch 22 Experience beast, and just sheer idiocy from employers that get everyone to jump through hoops while bending over backwards only to wind up hiring some moron that they know. I've been screwed out of crummy start up jobs only to find complete dimwits bumbling about. Why do we need video resumes narrated by James Earl Jones and 5 years experience just to get a temp typing job? And why are they so hesitant to hire long term workers because they have to pay benefits, but hesitant to hire temp workers because they'll move on?

    That stuff ALONE is ripe for satire. There's plenty of Pointy Haired Boss/Catbert the Evil Director of HR type humor in the situation that doesn't even need dressing in drag as a premise. I mean, I'd LOVE for someone to comment on how you have to have a complete background check to work behind a counter at Starbucks, yet all these kid's coaches come out as sex offenders. There's just so much braindead, drooling insanity that's keeping the unemployment rate up without the political/economic factors. And I bet Work it just did "My mascara's running" jokes.

    The Middle made the biggest and boldest comment on the state of employment today. The head of the household, Mike Heck, was unceremoniously fired
    from a long time job, and was having huge problems trying to find work (especially the inconsistencies of those imbecilic interviews) and his dumb son Axel says he got work because someone posted a message on his facebook wall saying "Dude, you want this job?" and he answered "Whatever." They didn't need to make a series about it to comment on like... well, there's no word for something as idiotic as employers today.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I had high hopes for "Whitney" because I like the actress, but the show is so bad. It's a younger "Mad About You" but without the small fraction of funny that show had in it's first couple of seasons.On the other hand, "Chelsea" looks like it could be good.

    "Suburgatory" is a solid B effort of a show. It's enjoyable even though I'd hoped it would be better. I don't know what a box of condoms has to do with the quality of a program. I mean it's not like we're in "Leave It To Beaver" land anymore. The show reflects the times and an affluent suburban culture and is usually amusing in doing so. Fantastic cast too!

    So far "The Firm" has disappointed me. It doesn't have the rhythm or pace of the film nor does it have the plot or character development of "Murder One" or a slew of other, older legal thrillers. Maybe it will get better. They've dumbed down so much of the law that they've made the lawyers seem ignorant in discovering legal precedent that any casual "Law & Order" viewer already understands. It doesn't bode well when the audience seems smarter than the lawyers.

    "Grim" and "Once Upon a Time" just aren't clicking for me either. They come off as over-produced versions of 90's SciFi Channel concepts.

    Good television just isn't being made anymore. I've even caught myself watching "Harry's Law" and wondering why it's still on the air while the largely superior "Boston Legal" was canceled years ago. I love Kathy Bates. She deserves better.
  18. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I actually like what I've seen of Supernatural; it's reminiscent of the kind of humor Buffy was known for.
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  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Supernatural is actually a really good series. It's tongue-in-cheek. The first few episodes aren't the best, but it gets much, much better and by the second season it just starts booming. Mix Buffy and X-Files and you kinda sorta get an idea of what Supernatural is. Definitely worth a NetFlix.
  20. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Gotcha, thanks for the tip, it is important to know exactly when a series got its stride going.

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