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Henson issues statement about Chick-Fila-A

Discussion in 'Henson People' started by dwmckim, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Bannanasketch Active Member

    I hope they actually do put that statement into action. Not necessarily because I agree, which I've really tried not to pick a side. But I'm just tired of hearing about CFA. I want to eat my Chicken Sandwich in peace, without automatically being accused of bigotry, dang it!

    I think a friend of mine on Facebook said it best when he said that if you ate Oreos and Chick-Fil-A a few months ago, you'd just be an ordinary fat American. But now, you eat Oreos, you hate Jesus because you support gays. And if you eat Chick-Fil-A, you're a bigoted homophobe. Seriously, think about how stupid that sounds. Can't we all just eat what we want to eat without having to worry if it goes against our beliefs???
  2. jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I'd like to agree with you, but that is a flawed argument.
    • Gays and gay-supporters don't have an issue with Christians. We aren't trying to oppress Christianity or Christian rights.
    • Some Christian groups do have a problem with gays and are trying to oppress our rights.
    If you truly believe that both sides are on equal-footing, you must read this link to a heartfelt perspective that explains why. It's really sweet and it's only fair after I read yours. ;)

    There's a group of people who believe that America must believe in one or the other, but we cannot allow both.

    By buying a ticket to last year's "Muppets" movie or this year's "Avengers" or "Brave" these anti-Oreo people were already supporting one of the largest gay rights advocates. Disney! They've been on the Southern Baptist boycott list for years!

    Incidentally, the Henson company has never called for a boycott of anyone for any reason or disparaged any group.
  3. Slackbot Well-Known Member

    I'll be interested when I see evidence that they're no longer supporting organizations that actively seek to suppress and harm gay people.
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  4. jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    It will take two tax-return cycles to know that for certain and by that time the spotlight will have dimmed.
  5. LOL I'm an Ex-Catholic and laughed by behind off reading that...
  6. yup totally agree! ...actually when people start bible quoting I get SOOOOO annoyed because it's been translated so many times and is what, 2000 years old? Did someone follow Jesus around with a tape recorder? The Gay haters made me proud in college to ditch Christianity forever. I'm actually Panthiest which coincidentally is what a lot of Fraggle fans believe they are- they worship nature.
  7. dwmckim Well-Known Member

    This looks nice on first glance but doing a more careful reading i don't take away from it any actual changes...

    First two sentences = "If anyone wants to give us money, we'll happily take it. (We might not like, care about, or want them to have rights, but we'll always take their dollars."

    Third sentence = "No more controversial statements to the press. (We learned our lesson: keep our mouths shut)" Also mentions leaving debate to "government and political arena" - but are they still lending their dollars to exactly that?

    Paragraphs 2 & 3 is press release talk with no real meaning and nothing that can really be interpreted as doing anything different.

    Also noticably absent: anything resembling either (a) an apology or (b) acknowledgement that they've done anything wrong.
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  8. jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Good point. It implies that they will stop funding anti-gay politics, but it never actually says that.

    This controversy is unlikely to make much of a financial dent. However, it will severely limit their options for partnerships for years to come. Their president now has a bad reputation in business relations after the Henson debacle. I wish they'd apologize to the Jim Henson Company.
  9. Vincent Liu Well-Known Member

    Religion is all about peace on earth, but how come it brings chaos, disagreement, and even war?
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  10. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There always could be an Eisnering out of the president, but unfortunately, that's in the case that his stances cause the stockholders to lose money. At this point, I'd LOVE to see some company just buy out Chick in a hostile take over, even if it means Crazy Cathy dumps everything he gets into more militant Christian Supremacist groups. Just to give him the relative obscurity that he deserves.

    The issue isn't so much that he doesn't agree to something... the issue is he said what he said with all the grace of an elephant with digestive problems crashing through the walls of an art museum, leaving a trail of sickly droppings all the while, and all the misplaced, smug, self righteousness of a televangelist just before he's caught in either a money laundering scam or in a Caligula-esque sexcapade, or both. The guy owns a fast food restaurant. I want his opinion on religion as much as I want Grimace's opinions on health.

    And yet, they're making people who politely say they don't want to do future business with someone they don't agree with/could stand to make them look bad the bad guys. People who passive aggressively take pride in eating a sandwich from a company because it's become a symbol of their self manufactured victimhood in a culture war they made up. My favorite is a certain Jabba the Hutt impersonator who thinks everyone but him is a ho, when he gets more tail than a forest full of Disney style wildlife. They've completely out D-bagged the most annoying of atheists in this debate.
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  11. jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    It’s occurred to me that maybe the Cathy family wanted to bring their beliefs to the forefront. It could be their election year effort to sway people to their way of thinking.

    This also shed some light on the bigotry still very much alive in America. This issue has separated the true and wonderful Christians from the terrible people and groups that use the Christian label in an attempt to gentrify the country and the world so that it conforms to their very limited set of ideas.

    Also, I don’t know exactly what happened, but it is my belief that CFA was going to use this unspecified and non-disclosed toy recall to give Henson an easy out before JHC decided to release their statement.
  12. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Well, that stuff WAS said on a radio show. Law of averages suggests it could have been a fairly right wing one. So basically, we should have known all along about his views (even though the fact he funds his views to become a reality IS the main problem at hand). I wouldn't doubt that he's giving buttloads of money to certain political campaigns and super PACs. But then, so aren't every major company in the US, even the "tolerant" ones you listed.

    This is why I want Christians to go on record as separating themselves from the dangerous extremists that want to control our country, and turn a democracy into a mixture between a Theocracy, Autocracy, and (with the Neo-Cons involved) a Plutocracy. I don't think they should be painted with the same brush strokes as those people, but either there's a huge resistance to being resistant, or those who are languish in obscurity, almost silenced. I still find the action of the Catholic Church on a bunch of progressive nuns (who are content to focusing on HELPING people rather than pointing out how they're not living a narrow enough lifestyle to avoid Badplace) more than a little disturbing and disheartening. Like I've said this entire thread, why is one tiny footnote, presented as a suggestion if ANYTHING, that make or break for Christianity to the point where the Ten actual Commandments are put behind it? It's not a case of it being a sin, just a case of bigotry trying to justify itself religiously, and having that spread through.

    But then I have to ask... when will the country be ready for gay marriage? It really seems the "Gay is evil" thing is a product of hateful indoctrination forced upon younger generations that would normally grow up not to care by those who hypocritically say that everything around them is indoctrinating their kids to be tolerant. Especially a certain cartoon sponge in one episode played for laughs, that now has turned into subversive comedy by the writers as a big Screw You to those very people. It seems the younger generation is no longer biting on that worm, and thinking for themselves (most of them coming to a "who cares?" conclusion), but it's going to take the prejudice dying out, or becoming increasingly UnPC for it to truely happen nationally.

    The more and more I think about it... let's face it. These things are CRAP! Cardboard punch put pieces to attach to a cheap, plastic film canisters (remember those?)... THAT is not a toy. That is a joke. That kind of thing ISN'T a prize.

    This Ripping Friends cartoon basically says what I have to say about that...



    Now, I'm fully convinced this would have been recalled anyway because EVERYTHING gets recalled for stupid reasons. This looks like something cheap that a kid with fat fingers can lodge one of those in anyway.
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  13. heralde Well-Known Member

    Maybe they feel like they're being cornered for something they didn't do? You catch more bees with honey...

    When people are educated differently on how the Bible is meant to be read. That's a big part of it, though it's not all of it. Some people are just not comfortable with the idea in general and it has nothing to do with religion.

    And again I have to mention the bees and honey thing. ;)
  14. jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    I wonder when some people will learn that it's a choice to follow the Bible's teachings. It is not something to enforce on other people. It's the choice that makes it meaningful. That choice is the whole purpose and it can't be made for someone else.

    I've been reading Henson's Facebook wall and so many people keep shouting cruel and inaccurate things. The Henson Company never condemned Christians, the Bible or Traditional Marriage. They didn't even condemn Chick-fil-A. They merely couldn't support the company's activism to remove the freedom of others to make their own choices. I don't see why so many people find that difficult to understand. :sigh:
  15. heralde Well-Known Member

    I agree; to choose something because you've discovered it for yourself and decided it's for you can be a beautiful thing. Unfortunately organized religion tends to attract authoritarian personalities that insist on having power. They'd exist with or without religion; this is just one of their outlets.

    Wait...you mean someone was wrong on the Internet???? :concern: Hehe
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  16. jvcarroll Well-Known Member


    Ain't that the truth! :)
  17. FrogFan76 New Member

    I made a video on my YouTube channel about how Chick-fil-A is hurting the Muppets! It makes me very upset that Chick-fil-A is pretty much making Kermit the Frog cry!

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  18. dwmckim Well-Known Member

    And here again is a perfect example of Henson taking the High Road and being a class act. People are posting the most disgusting, hateful, slanderous stuff on their Facebook page, but Henson still allows them to be posted and aren't deleting them. Henson, in all fairness, has every right to remove a lot of the posts due to slander, cyberbullying, and being things that a family-friendly site shouldn't contain, but they leave them up precisely BECAUSE they're on the side of free speech and tolerance despite people trying to accuse them of the opposite.
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  19. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd be VERY angry if I was accused of something I didn't do. I'd shout and scream and flip the heck out to prove it wasn't me. I don't see why more people who say "Don't lump me in with them" aren't trying to correct others themselves by distancing them. I LOVE Sonic the Hedgehog, but make it appoint to distance myself from a LOT of the craziness that fandom has (the worst of which, the fraction of the fan base obsessed with furry porn). I'd hate to have someone hateful who claims to speak for my religion, as that would imply that I'd agree with them.

    That said, I know some liberal Christian Churches try very hard to distance themselves (to the point of doing a cute article about Spongebob I remember reading... something about taking a Pillow Pet and having it sit in pews as an "all are welcome" deal). It's just that no one notices.

    Then of course there's the whole noise= news problem... so that's probably why those who distance themselves sound silent, when they aren't.
  20. heralde Well-Known Member

    Well they're technically not supposed to judge others. Of course I won't be naive; I know that's not always why people don't speak out. Frankly I think it's more basic than that. A lot of moderate Christians have no idea what goes on in the more extreme circles. The denominations are all pretty separated that way. The Internet has improved this somewhat but I think when moderates encounter an extreme online they first assume there's something odd about that individual, not that they belong to a bigger group.

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