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"I hate the Media" posers!!!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Drtooth, Apr 29, 2002.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I am abosolutely enraged when people complain about how the media is "Hypnotising" us. Oh, puh-lease. I go to an art school, and all I hear are these posers complaining like old men. Oh no!! The media is evil. yeah, I bet. I watch TV quite a lot. and let me tell you: I still can't tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke (I preferr Root Beer, anyway!), I don't like Pokemon, Transformers, or junk like that, I have no disire to wacth Wrestling, I hate Malcom in the Middle, and I find talk shows to be redundant, filthy, and stupid. It's not the media, folks...IT'S STUPID PEOPLE WHO LET THINGS GET THIS BAD!!!! Now that I got that off my chest, who wants to disagree?
  2. matleo

    matleo Well-Known Member

    Uhm...I'll meet you halfway. I think the media does try to 'tell' us some things and yes there is some manipulation involved (the colors that are used in an ad for example) It's all marketing 101. But in terms of things like " I should watch Survivor because Survivor is good and everyone around me watches Survivor..." that kind of thing At that point, I think it's stupid people who let the media manipulate them.

    Perhpas to use a better example. Two children's shows. One features a 6 foot dinosaur who sends the message "I love you" oen features a skinny guy ina cardigan who sends the message 'You are loved". Which is the more reinforcing statement "You are loved" but sadly the dinosaur sells more because as we all know the dinosaur loves us and we should love the dinosaur. It wasn't really until I saw Mr. Rogers and barney back to back once that I realized the differece in programs. And no I don't care much for Mr. Rogers but I certainly prefer the message he sends kids. Elmo does the same thing "Elmo loves you!" Do you think it's a coincidence that he's as popular? maybe I'm rambling a bit here, but I don't think it's enitirely in your classmates heads. but you're right part of the problem is people who are so stupid they let the media control them becasue then they don't have ot make decisions. it's a little on both sides. did I answer the questoin? Can I have a cookie now?

  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Matleo, You are definately, the Man!!!!!:cool: That's what I think! I just saw a big display on a buliten board whith this stuff. It just got me crazy. That, and I was very tired. I got here early. I was supposed to do something, and someone was using the computer it was on. it had too big a memory for disk, and there was a program on that one I needed...enough of that. I just put up a small sign that reads "Do you hate TV, or do you hate not being on TV?" A little philosopical question.
  4. muppet_fan_1

    muppet_fan_1 Well-Known Member

    I have to say, I completley agree with Matt on this one. I'm not a very agreeable person, so this is quite a rare thing. I do however like Malcom in the Middle thank you very much...:rolleyes: but still. Yes I think the advertisers have a bit to do with the appeal tyo the people. Again with the color scheme and everything. But it is eventually the peoples chioce who they're going to listen to.
    And if they isten to the advertsisers and do exactly what they think they should do, then it basically says they have no one else to listen to, and don't feel confident in themselves enough to have their own opinion.
    but hey, I'm not sure what I'm talkign about anymore, I'll probably go off on something else here in a bit....
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It's not that I think people who think that way are stupid. Just so long as they really mean it. Half of these dudes beleive that, but then they turn around and watch their Transformers videos, and play with their old He-Man action figures. I mean, reaaly. Hypocrites really blow me off. I should talk. I use to watch the Super Mario cartoon. Besides, I just can't seem to get into Malcom. Especially with what Fox did to Futurama!
  6. muppet_fan_1

    muppet_fan_1 Well-Known Member

    Not to get into a huge arhgument about liking or not liking a silly show, but you shoudn't judge Malcom in the Middle because of what their station did to a completley different show.
    (by the way, what DID they do to Futurama?)
  7. matleo

    matleo Well-Known Member


    I think what Dr Tooth meant initally had nothing to do with "Malcolm" but the way Fox advertises it and how people respond to those ads either positivley (yes I must watch this show becasue Fox says it's good) or negativley (we must hate this show because Fox says i's good) I think greg the Bunny wasa recent vistim of that in some ways (read some of the threads on here regarding that! Hoo-boy! :rolleyes: ) Personally, I'm not a big fan of Malcom. I happend to catch one episode I thought was kind of neat and I think Frankie Muniz has a pretty bright career ahead of him (good comic timing and I've seen him handle drama too!) but I don't care much for the show. my point is ultimatly it comes down to the viewer. do you like malcolm because it's a good show or because fox told it wasa good show (that's a rhetorical question BTW not an attack or a point you have to defend yourself on)

    By the way, toothy, what did you mean about Futurama?

    Hmm, this whole conversation is reminding me about a quote from the Monkees movie "Head" in the scene with Peter Tork and the Swami....

    "We were speaking of beliefs. beliefs and conditioning. All beliefs possibly could be said to be the result of some conditioning. Thus, the study of history is simply the study of one system of beliefs deposing another. And so on and so on and so on. A psychologically tested belief of our time is that the central nervous system, which feeds its impulses directly to the brain -- the conscious and subconscious -- is unable to disern between the real and the vividly imagined experience. Is there is a difference. And most of us believe there is. Am I being clear? For to examine these concepts requires tremendous energy and discipline. To allow the unknown to occur and to occur requires clarity. Now, where there is clarity, there is no choice. And where there is choice, there is misery. But then, why should anyone listen to me, or should I speak, since I know nothing?"

    thought it kind of apropos.
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    What did Fox do to Futurama, you ask Muppet Fan? They cancelled it, because it didn't fit in to the schedual during Footbal and Nascar season. They air like five episodes a year. Malcom is, however, on soooo much. They put it on a "special" night and don't put Futurama anywhere but the cruddy time slot it has now! But what I was saying, a lot of kids here are posers, and don't reaaly believe in that stuff. The whole Transformer thing is the anti-thesis of their whole argument.
  9. muppet_fan_1

    muppet_fan_1 Well-Known Member

    ok, I see your point now. about the whole doing what they tell us to thing. and wasn't trying to defend malcom in the Middle. I do enjoy watching the show, not because of the fact that Fox SAYS I should like it, but because frankly, I enjoy the plot. The basic meanning of it all. symbolisim I gues you could say. not all familes are perfect. most are far from it. it's just nice to know that we're not alone. sorry, that sounds so cheesy...but anyways... that's my "defense" I'm not taking any offense to this convorsation and I hope you don't either. oh yes, and thank you for that inspiring quote matleo.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    They canceled Futurama? I must admit that there was never a clear "hook" with the show. Some episodes were truly inspired, but it really was a hit or miss show in my opinion. I still can't believe they cancelled it, though.

    It was certainly strong enough to keep around. Heck, the writing on the X-Files has been stale for over two years and they've kept that on the air. And they have given The Family Guy (also a sometimes brilliant hit or miss show) like a billion chances.

    I do happen to enjoy Malcolm, but it's one of those shows I never want to watch. If I get 5 minutes into it I'll watch the whole thing, but I have never been one for family comedies. Great cast and writing, though!

    How Fox promoted Greg The Bunny was rather misleading. It is a much sharper show than the pee jokes the advertisements exploited. I wonder how they'll promote The Muppets?
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Weel, Futurama isn't technically cancelled (possibly it will be) it's in hiatus. But, anyway. I don't find Malcom the least bit funny. I saw a few episodes, and it's like, the family is disfunctional, I get it. I get the joke, now it's not funny. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but wait and see next year, when the Muppets are cancelled, and Malcom is in it's time slot!
  12. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think it's really jumping the gun to say that about the new Muppet Show. I just think you have some bizarre hatred toward Malcolm. So you don't like it, I can understand that. I personally never liked Ally McBeal very much, but I certainly would never disrespect the show. It just isn't my personal taste.

    So, Futurama isn't actually canceled. Hmm. I didn't think so and to make that false statement is really misleading. I don't like it when they do that to shows either, but that doesn't mean they're canceled!

    A friend of mine got angry that the local Fox affiliate aired a baseball game in place of 24 (I'm not a fan, but it has a huge following). They played it at midnight, but didn't promote that it would be run at that time. He missed the show and that is a program that you have to see all the episodes to keep up with it. Fox has always had this terrible practice, but on the upside they give shows a chance that certainly wouldn't make it anywhere else. Do you think that Futuama would have lasted one minute on the ABC, NBC or CBS? I really don't think so, and it gets a lot of promotion, though I agree there is some Malcolm overkill.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Sorry about the Malcom thing, J the F! My father LOOOOVEs it! He talks about every time I visit. I personally don't like it cuz I don't think that that show is funny. Plus they keep rerunning it in odd spaces when they could give a number shows that time slot. I'm sorry if I offended you. I'm not saying it's a bad show, just I don't like the top brass (the b and R are silent) cancelling things all the time. I have doubts about the new show being on Fox. That's all.
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I really wasn't offended, I just don't think you realize that of all the networks, Fox is really the best bet. They back their projects more than anyone else.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, once again, you have a point there, Jamie. I'm just kinda ticked that they still have that Grounded for Life show (in liu of The Tick, Family Guy or Futurama), though a lot of people I know don't like it (ones I know, anyway). But getting back to the topic, I have to agree with matleo! But I think the media isn't the main problem. Now marketing is far more evil. Marketing is SATAN in disguise. On that point, I side with Dilbert comics. I just hate when people (the classmates, o' mine) complaine about things, then totally lose credability! I can't stand any competition!

    LOLLASC (Laughing out loud, like a STupid Cat!):p

    Sorry, I get SOOOO carried away!
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I found the live action Tick to be terrible. The animated version was fantastic, but way too much was altered when it came to Fox primetime. I admit that I was very excited to see it, but was very disappointed. I kind of hope people will forget about that project alltogether and just remember the animated Tick. Just my opinion on that.

    Grounded for Life is an entertaining program that appeals to a different group of people than probably your friends belong to. I am certainly not saying that it is any better than Futurama or Family Guy because it isn't. It's just different. Fox has many animated shows and by including this family-esque comedy they expand their programming beyond animation. And the show seems relatively cheap to make. They usually have that one set and not any location shots.

    With Malcolm and Bernie Mac, it looks like there is a push by the network to include more family sitcoms. I really think they are trying to cover all of their bases and diversify their programming. The Family Guy may be cancelled, but it had spotty ratings. I think they will keep Futurama around for a while. They have even pushed back the X-Files for sports events so I don't think it's anything personal.

    I think they are just giving their new and/or struggling shows a bit of a push while shelving the capable Futurama for a little while. It makes some sense even though we may not like it. And don't get me started with what they've done to Dark Angel.
  17. sidcrowe

    sidcrowe Well-Known Member

    The Tick

    Yeah, I just wanted to chime in on the live-action Tick.

    Bloody awful.

    But I DO confess an interest in Pro Wrestling. This may be the best time to watch it; Hulk Hogan is back, and he's a good guy again, and this most likely is his last run. The WWF should be entertaining for that, at least.

    Oh yeah, and RIC FLAIR!

  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure, but I think we're getting off topic again! Oh well. At least it beats not getting ANY response!
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    A funny thing about the media. It can influence people by accident. For example: Remember when we spelled Doughnuts like Doughnuts and not the new spelling Donuts? I find that REALLY weird!!!!!
  20. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    SEE??! SEE?!? They got you so brainwashed that you don't even realize it!!! They TRIED to brainwash me, but I ran water in one ear and all the soap came out the other, so I'm okay. (J/K)

    Really, tho, I think it's kinda dumb when they cancel something good...like they did with Muppets Tonight and stuck that dumb Boy Meets World in its place. Ew. There they had a good show and then dump on it like that, never gave it a chance.

    I don't think it's the shows or movies we watch that puts ideas into our heads, I think it's the dummies who are so easily lead astray that use tv and movies AND music as the scape-goat for their bad decisions and self-indulgencies, not to mention for their own being just plain stoopid.


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