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Is Dinosaurs Really Muppet Worlds?

Discussion in 'Family Worlds' started by beaker, Mar 22, 2009.

  1. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    That's all I meant:excited:. It would just be sad to me:sympathy:. Sort of like saying the magic of it wasn't real (which would go against, like the whole ending of the show o.o).
    I mean with Dinosaurs it was set in a time, place, and theme that pretty much had to make it 'just a tv show' to them, since they were so self aware that it was kind of a dinosaur version of the human world..
    Fraggle Rock was more like a timeless bubble that could have fit in anywhere, even today...I dunno, sort of like a new age, peace on earth version of Narnia with little furry things :3..If you just look over there in the old barn, when the moon is just right on a rainy day, maybe you'll find a fraggle hole:coy:
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh no I agree 1000%. In fact, thats why I cant help tear up whilst seeing the last episode.

    However, what was cool is that each and every Fraggle could *then* go into our world as they pleased. "Outer Space", such a great concept and I know they are going to really run with that if that FR film ever gets made.

    But I like the idea of the possibility of a Fraggle hole being anywhere:) And they used that to great use in Muppet Family Christmas. (I wish Gonzo and Camila had found one in Muppets @WDW, heh
  3. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    It's still possible for FR to be magic and yet the show we watched be a show. The show could just chronicle what happened until Fraggles learned they could go anywhere in Outer Space. Then, they could have joined with humans to create a show based on those adventures in the Rock and such.
  4. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    I dunno, it still sounds a little unfraggley, given how fraggles feel about work and money and things...I just like the idea of it being real (to them) more an it being based on something real (to them). It's just something about the believability and knowing that even though the fraggles visit and explore outer space they haven't become so human in their thinking they've joined the human race and our idea of jobs :)
  5. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I don't really think they'd focus on work or money, though. Fraggles worked on lots of plays within episodes ... they would probably just do it for fun like their plays.
  6. Redsonga

    Redsonga Active Member

    Hm, maybe, but still, that is right up there with fraggles driving cars to me...I just can't see it...
    I guess it is because I think of what the poor little things might come across in Hollywood to get there to people that would actually treat them right :confused: (that's part of my fanfic idea actually)..
    I see the Dinosaurs as just actors but at the same time: if they came from the past how could they have been actors in the 90's human world ? :confused:
  7. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

  8. muppet baby

    muppet baby Active Member

    I had thought i had seen ever eposides of the Dinosors show i really love it LOL . i had forgoten that it was a henson production until i got the seasns one and 2 dvds .

    I can not wait to get the eposides with grunge in them i really like them in Fraggle Rock .

    I think also that this show belongs in the creature shop , catagory .

    i think that is how Jim would have wanted it and seemed intented that way , i say this because of what the premire eposide said on the dvd that it was a work of the creature shop . :o i hope that i am right on how i remember that . From what i saw on the dvd it was also something that aired for the premire eposide .

    Does anyone remember that little word peaice from the season 1 polaite eposide, from when it aired oregnally or on the dvd set ?
  9. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Wow, that is Gunge! And he talks. Nice clip.

    Well, in rewatching the intro to Dinosaurs here( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnNh2IguT8 ) that does seem pretty Muppety. And just look at all the little creatures that pop up in that intro...very...Muppet like.

    I usually associate "Creature Shop" with dark/serious fantasy stuff.

    But given the development period of Dinosaurs(1990), it's very close to the era of Jim Henson Hour/MuppetTelevision, where the line between Muppets and Creature shop was heavily blurred.

    Man this is a tough one...a cursory look at the characters in Dinosaurs, and they look like Creature Shop. But the comedy aspect, the way they move, the puppetry aspect of many of the characters, the very Muppet-ish background characters...hmmm...

    *would be interested in more people's take*
  11. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I've been watching JHH on youtube. One thing that struck me is that you can see the evolution (as it were) of the humor between TMS and Dinosaurs (the ratings ep is especially something in line with Dinosaurs-type humor). JHH, like you said, was really kind of both, though I think Dinosaurs blends that line even more.

    Even though the dinosaurs are clearly creatures (the mammals depend on the species), I wonder if they shouldn't count more as Muppet -- for despite their Creature looks, the concept is that they used to not be sentient and anthropomorphized, and now they are, which is how I sort of see Muppets in general ... a subspecies of regular creatures. To me, "Creature", in its purest sense, may refer to creatures that exist on their own merits, like Hoggle or Jen or Chamberlain or the Fierys or whatever. However, I never saw it but apparently there's a Sesame Street vid about dinosaurs and it looks like they use "muppet" dinos. Maybe the cast of Dinosaurs are in-between what would be Creature Dinos and Muppet Dinos.
  12. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Did you see the 10 minute Jim Henson Hour pitch tape as well as the Inner Tube pilot? There's virtually no Muppet looking characters, but almost all creature shop/full bodied creature shop puppet characters.

    I guess for me Creatures is defined by me as characters designed by the Jim Henson Creature shop who not only who look like creature shop designs, but exist wholly within their own world(Dark Crystal, Labyrinth, Farscape, etc)

    However, Gunge from Fraggle Rock, as well as other Muppety looking furry creatures being inside of the Dinosaurs world...and just the general silly fun nature of Dinosaurs(given most creature shop stuff is serious) makes one wonder.

    Now Phil has Dinosaurs purposefully listed under Muppet worlds. However Muppet Wiki ran by Tough Pigs has them clearly listed under Creature Shop.

    Interesting note about the Sesame "Dinosaurs!" release.
  13. bazooka_beak

    bazooka_beak Active Member

    You know, I just took Dinosaurs for what it was. I never really connected Kermit and the gang to Robbie, Earl, etc.
  14. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    There haven't been many crossovers between the Muppets and creatures from creature shop productions, but I wouldn't consider characters made for creature shop productions to suddenly become Muppets becasue they had crossed over. After all, we don't consider non-Henson puppets who appeared with Muppets as Muppets just because of such crossovers. We don't consider, for example, Lamb Chop or Charlie McCartney to be Muppets.

    Some of the Muppets from the MuppeTelevision portions of The Jim Henson Hour look the way that the creature shop made human characters who were considered Muppets. I don't know if the creature shop was actually invovled with those half-hours, but according to Muppet Wiki, all of the characters created for Inner Tube (and that includes Digit) were actually made by the Muppet Workshop, despite having a creature shop look to them.
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    So what say the final word, Dinosaurs *not* Muppets but more Creature Shop?
  16. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I still think it depends on which characters. Dinosaurs and many mammals, definitely. There was the odd muppet every once in awhile though. However, I guess since only Gunge tends to come to mind, that Gunge, previously established as a muppet (and arguably Blarney and other "puppets" on their shows), is maybe a muppet cameo in a creature world?

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