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Is the Jim Henson Company involved at all in the new movie?

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Chris Graham, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. Chris Graham

    Chris Graham Member

    I was looking over IMDB for company credits for Disney's "The Muppet's" and saw a company called Legacy Effects is doing the animatronic character effects work for the new movie. Which got me wondering is Henson Company is in no way involved from a production end on his film? I see in "Letters from Santa" JHC gets no cedit, so dose this mean that now the Muppet's are now being handled totally by Disney? Are the puppets no longer built by JHC? The Muppets are obviously Disney to do with it wants to but it would be a shame to think that there no longer involved. Just weird thinking a Kermit Puppet being produced by someone else then the Creature Shop.
  2. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I highly doubt that Henson would've been involved with this film.
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately... no... no, they're not... I mean I THINK Brian MIGHT be consulting with them, considering he's had some inside info in the past regarding the production and whatnot, but other than that, JHC is basically too wrapped up in their CGI PBS shows and Puppet Up! tours and such.

    As for the Creature Shop no longer being involved, I'm sure they could've done something better with this Walter character, I'm very disappointed with what they came out with: he looks way too simple and generic like one of those poorly constructed puppets you get at Christian bookstores at jacked up prices.
  4. Chris Graham

    Chris Graham Member

    Brian is in the movie or at least his characters are played by him. It just seems like an odd point for us older Muppet fans. I mean the puppets look great overall but i tend to agree with you about Walter and the Robot. But Disney has owned the Muppets now for 8 years, so they do move on. JHC may not have been able to handle the load from this. I live in Los Angeles and know they no longer have the Burbank creature shop, its been moved to the hollywood facility. I just hope this is a huge hit and my Niece and Nephew can fall in love with The Muppets like i did at there age. Thats what this is about keeping the muppets alive, just a interesting turning point.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    If they did, the movie would have been delayed fifty times and then unofficially cancelled, but they'd say it's still coming.
    Walter's all about Kermit/Roosevelt Franklin levels of simplicity. Something that's more expressive than something like Zondra or one of the complex Mother Goose Stories puppets. They were clearly going for the twerpy looking childlike Muppet, not something more complex, and I think it fits the character perfectly.
  6. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I share your views, Drtooth and we should appreciate poor, sweet, innocent little Walter the way we do.
  7. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    When Disney bought the Muppets, they bought them from Henson. Henson Co. no longer has any kind of ownership or control over them. If Disney seeks Henson's (the company or the family's) input, they can and are wise to do so but they don't have to.

    Muppets are currently built by Puppet Heap (which employs former Henson workers). People work for Disney's Muppet Studios division who are carry-overs from the Henson days. But Disney and Henson Company are two different companies with the former fully owning the Muppet brand now.

    But we do know that there was at least some Henson Company involvement with the latest film - Henson's studios is where the Muppet Studios parts of the film were shot. Aside from that, we may need to wait to read the credits to find out if there was anything beyond that.
  8. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    Do we have any real info on this though? The only "indication" of this being true are people who don't really know what they're talking about putting guesses as opposed to facts on imdb. Not only have we not heard anything elsewhere but none of Brian's characters have been spotted in the trailers/ads.
  9. Chris Graham

    Chris Graham Member

    And if i'm not mistaken the NY production facility is no more correct? I mean like i said before the JHC is a much smaller company now that beyond the PBS shows really doesn't do much.

    I'm very excited to see what Disney dose with The Muppets if this is a success. Thanks for the imput.
  10. Chris Graham

    Chris Graham Member

    According to the credits on IMDB Brian plays Sal Manilla / Dr. Van Neuter (voice). He may not preform, but usually IMDB dosn't make mistakes, at least this close to the release. He may only say 2 lines so who knows.
  11. Speed Tracer

    Speed Tracer Well-Known Member

    IMDb isn't often very accurate. We haven't seen any indication Sal or Dr. Van Neuter are in the movie. It's likely someone assumed they were and he was performing them, so they added him, but so far there's no real confirmation on that.

    As long as we're talking about IMDb, am I the only one peeved they list the performers as being the "Voice" of the characters? I mean, I know they ARE, but it just bugs me! They should list "Puppeteer" or something. Anyway. Rant over.

    I like Walter a lot.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It was confirmed that Johnny's not in the film at all. So I doubt Sal would be there as well.
  13. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Who confirmed that?

    There's always a chance that he and Sal might appear in the background and be silent.

    The two appeared in "Bohemian Rhapsody" and they didn't really have lines there, so why not?
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

  15. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    But that info's been there for awhile. No one's just bothered to take it down. The imdb page for The Muppets is a hot mess: 1/3 real info, 1/3 speculation based on little more than fan fiction, 1/3 uncredited extras adding their own names.

    Even their presence in BH was a "happy accident" - the Johnny/Sal puppets were shipped to the set with a host of others by accident and they figured as long as they had 'em on set, they'd throw them in.
  16. frogtownhollow

    frogtownhollow Well-Known Member

  17. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    (sigh) Here we go again... :rolleyes:

    Frank Oz and the new movie need to stop being mentioned in the same sentence, IMO. He would not have gotten involved anyway, since he officially retired from his classic Muppet characters after "Muppets from Space".

    We can't give in to The Hollywood Reporter, Metro and their desires for the new film to bomb at the box office. :mad:
  18. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    So if JHC has "no involvement"...um, where did they film the Muppet Studios? As that sure awfully looks like JHC studios.
  19. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    One person reported it, and everyone stole from the article out of context. And as I've said oft, if there was any time to complain about the direction of a Muppet movie it was basically MFS (only Joey Mazzarino spoke out against that years later, but only because the director mangled his script) and MOz (don't get me started or I'll never shut up on that one). Oz was annoyed he even was asked that question. Let's not forget he also said, "I don't want to be a sourpuss and spoil the movie." That's basically saying, it's not of my taste, but I wish them well and I hope others enjoy it.

    Plus, the best ammo for the argument that Henson didn't make everything gold? Mother Goose Stories.

    That said, I wouldn't blame the first news source for anything but refusing to post names and where they got their dubious sources... the others for plagiarism, maybe... any exposure is exposure that the movie's out and only purists who weren't going to see this thing anyway will take it at face value. But then again, the purists whined and moaned and looked for things to hate about the new Star Trek film and everyone else in the world liked it. And those younger audiences that never have seen Star Trek before will go back and buy/rent/download off Itunes episodes of various Star Trek series. Exposure.
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  20. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    Too true. Dr.

    Let's hope that those idiotic big-fat-lie articles won't hurt the movie in the long run.

    The movie's publicity machine was on such a winning streak with hardly anything standing in its way until Metro, The Hollywood Reporter and their fellow dimps came along and started trying to ruin everything.

    Hope it all this nonsense fades away quickly WELL before November 23rd. :concern: :sympathy:

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