I have never felt myself too terribly inclined to get involved with that aspect of the forum, so there's no problem for me there. I mean; I'm sure that the folks here are very nice about helping someone get into that if they wanted to be involed in it. Of that I have no doubts whatsoever. What really bothers me is that recently, about a week after I started posting here, I was reading this one thread where the author asked a question. I thought it was an interesting topic so I wrote a respose to it, and then two people came in and hijacked it. My comments were never even responded to and were basically ignored. In a day's time it had a ton of new responses, none of which were on topic. The thing that hurts is that I am left to feel as though what I had to say was not even important or held any significance. I'm a patient sort of person, I just stuck it out and didn't go into whine mode about it, but I was very hurt. The thread in question had evolved into the state of off topic-ness that it no longer was interesting or even remotely amusing to me. It was just boring, and there was no way I could have gotten involved in that thread at all, because I had tried, but to no avail. To me, that went way beyond the fact that it was just members being silly. Silly, I can handle, and I can act weird with the best of them, don't let my age fool you. But, after that incident happened, I started to notice that this was not a 'random' event that happened. It was happening in a lot of other threads as well, even threds started by the Administrators. Basically, I am under the distinct impression that my comments are not in 'style' with the hip and super groovy around here. If that sort of thing happens to newbies who are much younger and impressionable than I am, then I do not forsee this forum growing by leaps and bounds. There have been moments since my coming here when I myself felt inclined to pack up and leave. Yes, that is true. The problem is, and I don't want to come across as a fuddy duddy for having cited the rules, but they are there for a reason. Just because silliness and insanity are the norm doesn't mean that the rules should be cancelled out. That gives new people very mixed signals about the effectiveness of the moderators / administrators. As a newer member of this forum, I have found myself becoming increasingly confused by this grey area. When I came in here and started seeing Senior Members hijacking threads (thus breaking the rules), then I started asking myself what I'm supposed to think about this. Does this mean that this behavior is okay? Or is this merely a quirk for being a Senior Member? To me, the rules should apply to everyone not just to newbies who happen by this forum. If there's going to be harmony to go along with the lunacy here, then the rules should be adhered to by everyone, not just by certain members. But along those same lines, they should also be enforced. Just MHO. But thanks for your thoughts and comments.