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"Normal" Rowlf & Sam The Eagle

Discussion in 'Action Figures' started by theGreatLukeSki, Feb 11, 2003.

  1. theGreatLukeSki

    theGreatLukeSki New Member

    Hey everybody,

    I spent some time today looking up the info on the upcoming waves of Muppets figures from Palisades. I am very excited and happy about it all, but I do have a concern. This is probably going to make me sound like the guy from the fake Onion editorial, but... Why are they releasing variant figures either before or instead of normal ones?

    I read previous posts on the Rowlf tux / no-tux situation, and I'm glad that they still intend to release the 'normal' version of Rowlf, but it still bugs me as a Muppet fan and Toy collector purist that what should be a variant version is coming out before the normal version which should have come out first. And to have to wait a whole year for the normal version? Lots can happen in that time, so the notion that the folks at Palisades might change their mind on releasing the 'normal' Rowlf is entirely possible, and I would hate for that to happen.

    And on a similar note, there seem to be no plans at all for a 'normal' Sam the Eagle figure. I love "Muppet Treasure Island" as much as any Muppets fan, but I would really much prefer to have a normal (or as Sam might say "absolutlely naked!") version of Sam The Eagle and save the Samuel Arrow for sometime down the line.

    Anyway, I just wanted to see if anybody had any feedback on these opinions of mine. Thanks for reading, and I'll see you all at the Madison East Toys R Us. :)

    PS: I don't ever remember Fozzie going on 'vacation', as he is depicted in action figure form. Did I miss something? If I did, I'm sure you guys can set me straight.

    PS again: On an unrelated note, my parody song "Peter Parker" was #1 on Dr. Demento's Funny 25 of 2002! :) You can hear a clip of it and my Muppet Tribute song "Who Let The Frog Out?" at my website www.LukeSki.com. Thanks!
  2. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Active Member

    Hi GreatLukeSki, yes i remember you!

    Palisades is releasing tux rowlf and Samuel Arrow first to keep people buying the line, they also have the rigths to all 6 muppet movie's so they want to work that into the line making a mix of figures, if they useed all the main characters first a line completly filled with just Muppet Treasure island figures later on wouldn't do so hot. this keeps the line fresh and will help it have a longer life.hopefuly we will get a ton more muppets then.

    belive me i really want reguler Rowlf and Dr. Bob!

    hope this helps

    Zack)Rowlf the,Dog.
  3. WiGgY

    WiGgY New Member

    Very true. Also, part of collecting is waiting. I actually prefer MTI Sam myself. He looks so cool. And Tux Rowlf has a story all his own. I think as long as we don't get an all variant series I'm perfectly happy collection MTI Sam and Tux Rowlf right now. And I doubt Palisades will scrap Reg Rowlf and Reg Sam. There really aren't a lot of characters that could sell well so inorder to give the line variety and longevity they add these variants. I think it's a cool idea. Oh, and about vacation Fozzie. No he didn't really go on vacation like that but he did where the glasses in the show and he did wear the hat in the show and the stickers for the suit cases have tons of muppet logos and movienods and stuff. It's a pretty cool figure.
  4. GWGumby

    GWGumby New Member

    This question tends to pop up a lot, even though I see that it is answered in the FAQ. Any plans on updating the FAQ any time soon? I just scanned through it and it seems to be slightly out of date now. I think this question (coupled with Daredevil Gonzo) should be expounded upon a bit more so that future questions can be pointed that way.
  5. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Active Member

    at the web site muppets.com there is a whole thing about fozzie going on vacation or something...yeah and it's from like 1998, it's old and out dated, but it has that vacation fozzie idea, plus fozzie wore a hat like that on the muppet show, and wears a haiwin shirt in Muppets from Space.

    zack)Rowlf the, Dog.
  6. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Active Member

    I should point put that Rowlf and Sam are not the first variations released first before the "normal" versions. Gonzo was, in Series 2. It's a pretty established precedent in this line, and there are decent arguments as to why this is a good strategy. Bottom line? IMO you have a vast universe of characters, why not pepper in a few muppets in costumes they may have been known for just as much as their raw versions?

    Not everyone can agree on that and it's cool. If Art Asylum announced that the first Kirk figure they were making was Star Trek: Wrath of Khan Kirk instead of classic Kirk first I would be totally cool with it. Others would have a differing opinion. There were some great Looney Tunes figures put out a few years ago and you were hard pressed to find any naked version, but my Duck Dodgers figure is one of the favorites in my collection...and they never even made a naked Daffy.
  7. SuperGrover

    SuperGrover Member

    Which is not what is going to happen with naked Rowlf or Sam Eagle, right?

    (by the way, I love tux Rowlf!)
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Ya can't blow the whole thing upfront. It's about pacing. I have no doubt we'll get regular versions of Sam and Rowlf. All of this has been discussed at length. Palisades has remarked that they are very interested in bringing those figures to us.
  9. theGreatLukeSki

    theGreatLukeSki New Member

    Thanks everyone for your responses. I guess my overall point is, as a person looking to start a family soon with my wife, I'm trying to be a toy collector on a budget. I have been trying to cut down the amount of money I've been spending on the stuff I'm collecting, and one way to do that is to not buy variant figures unless they really appeal to me (like the Pigs In Space versions). I think Tux Rowlf and MTI Sam look cool, but if sacrifices need to be made, then figures like those would be the ones I would force myself to sit out on. I just wish I had some kind of guarantee from Palisades that the regular versions will definately be released, but I know that's unrealistic. Anyway, as I said before I absolutely LOVE the toys, and I'm very grateful for Palisades for making them. I hope a few years down the line that maybe they'll try to get the action figure rights for Sesame Street and Fraggle Rock as well.

    An interesting side note... I have toys of Miss Piggy, Fozzie Bear, Yoda, and Fungus from Monsters Inc. Maybe I should start a Frank Oz toy museum? :) Thanks!
  10. GWGumby

    GWGumby New Member

    Well, for a figure collector on a budget, it works for both Palisades and you.

    Since you can't buy every figure, then it would be bad if all of the "must-have" figures came out first. Because then you would have to sacrifice to get them all at first, otherwise you'd miss out on them and be forced to pick up variants (like I am having to do with the Simpson line currently.)

    However, having the variants come out first on some of the figures keeps you from having to buy everything, but keeps you coming back for more further down the road to pick up the rest of the "must-have" figures.

    So I can only see it as being beneficial for someone who can't afford everything.
  11. Gonzo

    Gonzo Active Member

    (playing Devil's Advocate)

    And on the other hand....

    If people don't buy these alternate versions in the early lines, holding out for the "classic" versions, there's no guarantee the line will continue and there will EVER be a Naked Rowlf or Sam...

    Plus, who can resist Rowlf's giant piano? I know I couldn't!

    Quinnnnnnnnnnn
  12. Stryder Wolfe

    Stryder Wolfe New Member

    no one can resist the power of the dark baby grand....;)
  13. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Just thought i'd point out that if you are going there to look for Muppets ya won't find them - TRU has stopped taking the Muppet action figure line.

    On your main point, i can see both sides - though i think Palisades have got the right idea. Being an artist and contributing to radio stations and things you'll probably know how standard a 'tease' is in broadcasting. Never give the public EVERYTHING they want straight away, drip feed them, and they'll keep on coming back rather than leave you for the next joe schmoe that makes a cool Muppet product.
  14. BaudGirl

    BaudGirl New Member

    Too bad Piggy can't bend at the waist or we could have a whole 'Fabulous Baker Brothers' thing going.



    I feel bad, I didn't mean to imply that the variants weren't desirable or good. I'm all for variants myself, but I like the option of the original too.


    So Ken, how does it feel to put your blood, sweat, and tears into your work only to watch it be nitpicked to death? :p
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    We already know they have a Regular Rowlf. We've seen pictures of it so it should be released even if the line tanks for some ungodly reason. Who's to say they don't already have a Sam sculpt or, would be willing to tool a new torso for a regular Sam if they don't? I feel that no matter what they would release them to at least get a return on the investment. The sculpts cost thousands of dollars! So, I don't have any worries, but if we don't buy the variants we might have to pay steep prices for the standard versions.:eek: :eek: :eek:
  16. GWGumby

    GWGumby New Member

    Well I didn't mean to imply that people shouldn't buy the variants. I just meant that for people who can't afford everything, buying a couple figures in each series is still supporting the line. I strongly advocate buying everything, but obviously there are those who can't. And by holding back a few major characters for later in the line, it allows people who can't afford everything to still support the line rather than jumping ship after the first couple series.

    Obviously, the third series is just barely out, so there aren't any sales figures yet, but from listening to people's reports, it seems like the series 2 & 3 have been selling fairly well. So it seems like the niche characters are actually getting more support than some of the major ones from Series 1 like Kermit & Piggy.
  17. Zack the Dog

    Zack the Dog Active Member

    although with the whole "Gonzo" thing, him as a dardevil is a regular gonzo in my opition, i mean that's what he's known for, plus him coming with the cannon just fits him perfect. I'm sure the people at Palisades have learned a lot more about the muppets now then they ever have.

    when people think of gonzo they don't think of him and "the purple suit", they think of him doing crazy things...so it's fitting, i wouldn't buy any other theroy on that. Rowlf and Sam are more noticable.


    Zack,
  18. BAZ

    BAZ New Member

    I'm guessing there is a scupt out there for a nakkid Sam. Wasn't he announced as part of Series 4, before they got the rights to the movies?
  19. ResidentLilly

    ResidentLilly Active Member

    There is a sculpt. And it is approved. Sort of. Still working out the best choice for the texture on the body. I want something different than what we have on the Mini. There are two current body textures and one will ultimately get final approval.
  20. theGreatLukeSki

    theGreatLukeSki New Member

    Hey everyone,

    I didn't mean to start any negative emotions here, I was just posting the lament of a loyal fan who may have to give up collecting if he can't find a way to cut his spending. My shelves are currently packed to the gills with all the figures I've collected for the past 10 years or so, including the Simpsons, the Muppets, Futurama, Buffy, Angel, Star Wars, Star Trek, Austin Powers, Space Ghost, and many miscellaneous others (all OUT of their packaging, I might add). I already made a consious decision to not collect the new Peanuts figures, and it kills me because my love of Charles Schultz is almost as great as that for Jim Henson. My solution for now is to only collect the Simpsons, the Muppets, Buffy, & Angel, and to only buy variant figures from those lines if they happen to really appeal to me in some way.

    Also, as a Toys R Us Employee, it really infuriates me to find out that they are not going to carry the Muppets anymore. I mean, why the heck am I working there if I can't get first dibsies on the Swedish Chef and his kitchen? I'll have to call my local comic shop and see if they're getting them and if they'll be willing to hold onto them for me. If not them then Electronics Boutique at the mall. Or I could just order them from the Palisades website, but then I wouldn't know which version of Zoot I'd be getting. Anyway...

    If the fine folks at Palisades are out there reading this, thanks again for making such AWESOME toys! In case you're planning ahead, a rare Muppet I'd like to see a figure for would be "Digit" from "the Jim Henson Hour: MuppeTelevision". He was kind of a cross between Data from Star Trek and Reverend Jim from Taxi. Maybe around Series #27 or so, that would be great.

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