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On Writing Fan Fiction (Rules & Advice)

Discussion in 'Fan Fiction' started by Fozzie Bear, Jul 13, 2005.

  1. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    Self-insertion into a Muppet-based fanfic is okay around here. We do it all the time, it just depends on the level of how the self-insertion is written. As you pointed out, there are a ton of self-insertion fics floating here lately, I've had to delete a few because they were just plain lyrics with no actual story. But there are very good self-insertion fics from some of the older authors. If it wasn't for Sara (ReneeLouvier)'s Sadie's Stories and Beth (redBoobergurl)'s Rowlf's Stories and some of Lisa (TogetherAgain)'s actual completed fics, we wouldn't have the Hensonville City scenario. Catherine (Ruahnna) is the veritable master of good/excellent self-insertion what with the various cameos certain forum members have had in her grand novel Kermie's Girl, and I myself took the challenge to write a variety of short somewhat inter-connected fics some of which feature my fan-fic self. And I have to mention Kris (newsmanfan)'s Newsie's Stories as well as Kim (Slackbot)'s more Muppet-centric fics as well-written fics featuring either themselves or their own OC's, which is another thing we heartily welcome in our fanverse, again, so long as they're incorporated well.

    Hope this helps somewhat. :jim:

    BTW: All the authors/fics mentioned above can be found in the 2014 Fanfic Library Index thread.
     
  2. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I guess that's true. I just noticed a lot of self-inserts, but maybe that's just on the Electric Mayhem side of the fandom. A lot of those fanfics just look the same to me…maybe it's just the shame of creating a Mary Sue self-insert of my own a few years back…when I read my old fanfictions, I can't help but cringe. I wanted to post a quote from one, but your eyes would probably bleed. But I guess there's no problem if your OC is a self-insert and joins the Mayhem, as long as she's not the most talented girl in the world and that her voice doesn't sound like Whitney Houston mixed with Ariana Grande, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Adele, Idina Menzel, Christina Aguilera, Beyoncé, Aretha Franklin, Amy Lee, Kristin Chenoweth, Kelly Clarkson, Barbara Streisand, Carrie Underwood, and every other female singer I didn't already mention by name. And also, if your fic contains this quote: "Sure you girls sound like singers when you talk", you should probably do some serious editing. Also, stop making your OCs talk like Janice. We get it, you like the Electric Mayhem. But you don't need to say "Fer sure" and "Rully" after everything! Also, don't go overboard on the tragic past stuff. This fandom is usually pretty good about avoiding it, but there are a few…
     
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  3. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    does this fan fic charactor that i made sound like a mary sue to you ? she gets hired by kermit to do costumes after hilda retires piggy was the one who suggested that kermit hire her after meeting her during an apperance in the charactor 's that i made home town years be for the charactor joined the muppets this charactor dealed with a lot growing up and into adulthood like growing up with a strict mother, dealing with her parents break up and men who treated her bad but my fan fics are not focused on her they are mainly foucus on scooter and his relationship with her in one my fan fics scooter taught my charactor that i made how to dance and how to love again in the second one which is the sequel it tells more about my charactors background but it doesn't focus on her okay moving on to scooter he is recovering from the loss of his uncle jp grosse in my fan fics and he has had his share of bad realationships with past lovers too and my fan fics are pg 13
     
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  4. The Count

    The Count Moderator Staff Member

    @scooterfan360.

    First of all, I believe the word is spelled "character", there's no "o" at the end and "relationship", there's no "a" before the "l". Making sure you type your story correctly is another thing that people should pay attention to when writing fanfic. To that point, also make sure you end your sentences where/when they should instead of having them run-on forever in stringing too many ideas together.

    Regarding the fact that your story is a Scooter-centric story, I'd recommend delving into the fanfic index to check the following authors' stories.
    Sara (ReneeLouvier),
    Erin (Muppet Newsgirl),
    Kim (Slackbot), and
    Gina (WebMistressGina).

    Hope this helps.
     
  5. AlittleMayhem

    AlittleMayhem Well-Known Member

    As a fan of the Electric Mayhem who also writes fanfic of them with OCs, I completely understand your fustration with having the same not well written stories over and over again with self inserts and so on and so forth. I also understand how fandoms reaction to fancharacters can be very negative to the point where you hesitant to write your OCs stories.

    But I honestly don't have a problem with OCs or self inserts, even the most beautiful or talented ones, so long as they are well written. I've read many a fic, both in this fandom and the next, that has all those troupes but we're just so good that you honestly didn't think that much of it.

    Another thing I'd like to add (and this was pointed out to me on tumblr) is that typically young girls write these sort of stories with female OCs. In a world of full blown misoginistic media everyday, I don't blame them for wanting to create a persona that's the absolute bestest thing ever. Sure, it may not be always the greatest of results, but if it makes them happy and their not hurting anyone, then good (and this is coming from someone who used to make a comic series mocking other people's actual Mary Sues, something I've come to regret these past years).

    One more thing. If you think about it long and hard, Batman is the biggest and most famous Mary Sue in history.
     
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  6. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

     
  7. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    Very true, a lot of these stories are written by young girls, often as wish-fulfillment characters. I usually try not to make fun of actual Mary Sues, and if I feel the need to mock the concept in general, I just create my own awful OC. For example, there's the Muppet character that I made to poke fun at the idea of a Mary Sue. Her name is Starsong Cassandra Raven Arianna Sakura Rose Mercury and she gets an additional middle name each chapter. She has black hair with natural fuschia streaks, pink eyes (like the color of peonies)…and her past? "I was born on the planet of Kawaiidesu. I was the princess, until my wicked sister overthrew me and killed our parents. I was then kidnapped by a man who abused me. I was able to escape to Earth, and was taken in by a family of wolves. Then, one day, those wolves were killed by hunters. I soon learned that I was part of a great prophecy, which stated that on my sixteenth birthday, I would be the one to save the world. I began to train with a great master, until I was kidnapped by the FBI, who did painful experiments on me to give me powers, like flight, invisibility, super strength, super speed, super beauty, telepathy, pyrokinesis, umbrakinesis, healing abilities, the ability to see through time and space, shape-shifting, ghost powers, magic, time travel, interdimensional travel, weather manipulation, freeze vision, heat vision, the sonic scream, psychic powers, and sparklekinesis! They also performed experiments that altered my DNA so I’m part demon, angel, fairy, mermaid, vampire, witch, neko-jin, unicorn, and goddess, so I have those powers too. When I escaped them, I came here, to fulfill the prophecy and save everyone! My life is so tragic!” Of course, that's an exaggeration, and there's probably not any pink-eyed-part-unicorn-super-goddesses in this fandom. But still. DON'T MAKE YOUR OC INTO A STARSONG!
     
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  8. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    What about Bella Swan? Or Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way? (Here's the fanfic Ebony is in http://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/chapters122.htm) Or Jenna Silverblade? http://linksqueen.tripod.com/mil.html (That's the fanfic Jenna is in. Warning: it's long) And Batman is not a Mary Sue. Here's an argument why. http://lesliannewilder.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-batman-is-not-mary-sue.html
     
  9. Slackbot

    Slackbot Well-Known Member

    I think we can all agree that both Wesley Crusher and Lestat de Lioncourt are textbook Mary Sues.
     
  10. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    my spelling is correct in my fan fics but i don't know where to place my punctuation and quotation marks could someone please help me ?
     
  11. AlittleMayhem

    AlittleMayhem Well-Known Member

    It depends on what puntuation you're using. If it's an question or exclaimation mark, just put it at the end of a sentence. For example;

    The barn's on fire!
    Why is it on fire?

    For quotations, you just put them at the start and end of someone's spoken dalologe and/or quote. For example:

    "Hey, look at that," Fozzie said.

    Also, if someone isn't asking a question or shouting, put a comma at the end like I just did above. Hope this helps!
     
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  12. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

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  13. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    Okay, you made quite a few errors there. Here: "Does this fan fic character that i made sound like a Mary Sue to you? She gets hired by Kermit to do costumes after Hilda retires. Piggy was the one who suggested that Kermit hire her after meeting her during an apperance in my character's home town years before the character joined the Muppets. This character dealt with a lot growing up, like a strict mother, her parents breaking up, and men who treated her bad, but my fan fics are not focused on her. They are mainly focused on Scooter and his relationship with her. In one my fan fics, Scooter taught my character how to dance and how to love again. In the second one, which is the sequel, it tells more about my character's background, but it doesn't focus on her. Okay, moving on to Scooter…he is recovering from the loss of his uncle, J.P. Grosse, and has had his share of bad realationships with past lovers too. My fan fics are PG-13." She doesn't sound like too much of a Mary Sue. Just a few things:
    • What do you mean by men treating her bad? Do you mean that they take advantage of her or something? Or is it that they abuse her (I'd stay as far away from that as possible, as it's overdone, and not something that should be used in fanfiction unless you can pull it off. You can't pull it off, and neither can I…heck, Suzanne Collins* probably couldn't pull it off.)
    • Her relationship with Scooter sounds really cute. Just try to make it somewhat realistic, and don't have Scooter immediately fall in love with her.
    • What's this OC's name? The name is extremely important in deciding if she is a Mary Sue or not. You can even use your own name if you want. Lots of OCs in the Muppet fandom are named after their creators. If you don't want to use your name, you can always use a name that you really like (for example, I named one of my OCs Molly, because that's a cute name) or a name that has special meaning (like if she were a musician, you might name her Melody). After all, lots of Muppets have meaningful names. Here's a list of names to avoid:
      • Shadow
      • Raven
      • Sapphire (or any other gemstones)
      • The name of a popular anime character (Miku, Serena, etc.)
      • Rainbow
      • Serenity
      • Moonflower
      • Starsong
      • Melantha
      • Nightstar
      • The name of any Disney Princess (ESPECIALLY ELSA, BECAUSE SHE'S SO POPULAR NOW. Anna, Tiana, Alice, Wendy, Meg** and other common names are usually fine, but avoid names like Jasmine or Aurora)
    • Okay, so a lot of those were unrealistic. But as long as you don't make her too perfect (angsty backstory and slight clumsiness don't count as flaws) and let the other characters share the spotlight (you already said the fic doesn't focus on her, which is good), she should be fine!
    • Also, don't devote more than a paragraph to her appearance. If you just go on and on about the way she looks, the readers will get bored.
    • That's all! She sounds good to go! Just be sure to proofread for spelling errors. :flirt:
    If you ever need any help with your character or your fic, just start a convo with me and I'll be happy to help you out.
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2014
  14. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    okay first of all her name is stephanie full name stephaine lorraine briar second of all when i mean men treated her bad they cheated on her okay third she is not perfect in anyway because her mother was so strict she had to sneak out just to get out of the house and she can't sing and she can't dance okay moving on scooter doesn't atuomatically fall in love with her but he does blush and get nervously when he sees her and he does look at her too along with pepe and he does try to ask stephanie out but he chickens out like a few times but one day he finally does ask her out and the part where he kisses stephaine good night he apologizes to her and does it again but stephaine understands and kisses him back
    first off my fan fic character's name is stephanie briar full name stephanie lorraine briar second when i mean men treated her bad i mean that they cheated on her third she is not perfect in anyway she can't dance and she can't sing fourth scooter doesn't automatically fall in love with her but he blushes and gets nervous when he sees her and he also looks at her too along with pepe and he also chickens out a few times before he finally asks her out and the part where he kisses her good night he gives her a long good night kiss when he meant to give her a short one but he apologizes for it and does it again stephanie understands and kisses him back okay moving on although stephanie is pretty i don't talk about her appearance much but i do mention what she is wearing a few times and finally i also included some ov's aka original villans like tex richman , mickey holiday ,and the moopets plus other muppets have the spotlight in my fan fics also like gonzo , pepe, rizzo, clifford , anne sue, and animal . ect... and one more thing stephanie is human i wanted to play with the concept of a human being in a relationship with a muppet you know break that barrier my fan fics take place in a world where muppets and humans mix .
     
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  15. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    Okay, Stephanie Briar is a perfect name. It's really cute. The cheating on her thing is good. I like how you gave her flaws, like not being a talented singer or dancer. It helps make her more believable. The humanxMuppet thing is a cool idea, and I'd like to see how that turns out. Her relationship with Scooter seems believable, and I've learned something in fanfiction: if the "ladies man" is hitting on your character, it's fine. I abused that privilege very quickly. Overall, Stephanie seems like a really cool and believable character. Awesome job!
     
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  16. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    thank you it's going to be an exciting fan fic the second one is too .
     
  17. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    Cool! If you ever need any help with it, just let me know!
     
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  18. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    i made a little boo boo i mean that scooter kisses her goodnight but didn't meant to do it on their first date because he figured that stephanie doesn't kiss on the first date he apologizes for it and does it again stephanie understands and kisses him back
     
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  19. Harleena

    Harleena Well-Known Member

    I think that that should be fine…
     
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  20. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    i think that this should be a rule in writting fan fiction , never include a character that somebody else created in your fan fiction .except for the original muppets, i think that fan fic writers should only include the original muppets and just the character that they made up . now im' not naming any names but , i read one person's fan fics , and they used somebody else's character in them
     

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