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Romney wants to cut funding for PBS and Sesame Street

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by tutter_fan, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Television commentators from all political positions have been mentioning the Big Bird incident, but few of them actually inform the public of the fact that Sesame barely takes any federal money.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    We're going to get that anyway. The "they're both the same" logic doesn't apply to our own gays, women, returning soldiers and Hispanics. The right's logic on that stuff is frightening and backwards. We're never going to get out of the Middle East unless an actual isolationist Libertarian gets in charge.

    The Nixon kids invited him over to the White House. NIXON!

    But really, there seems to be a LOT of Muppet hate from the far right.

    Sesame Street is an evil communist propaganda machine because it mocked a news organization that is exactly what Sesame Street called it (trash that grouches like). Likewise a Sesame Street special is evil because a destitute family wanted food stamps, and they didn't make Obama the evil villain for not deregulating everything under the sun and killing jobs that don't exist.

    Ben Shapiro writes a book with free tin foil hat about how evil the liberal media is, citing Sesame Street's evil Muslin coddling 9/11 episode where Elmo didn't waterboard anyone for Hooper's Store catching fire.

    The Muppets is an evil commie brainwashing plot because the bad guy is an oil man. Even though said oil man had a face heel turn and saved the day. Kermit's also evil because Obama invited him to the tree lighting ceremony.

    Some Middle Eastern Sesame Street co-production is a waste of tax payer money and evil because it's not dropping a bomb on someone.

    And the completely imaginary paranoia that Ernie and Bert are turning kids into Dr. Frankenfurter.

    The right literally runs on outrage. The left runs on smug better than you-ness, but everything the right says has to be some big blown up conspiracy theory that's going to come and bite you or something. They have an absolute war on PBS and NPR for the tiny amount they get from the government (that basically keeps stations running), and the fact that it's the one place they can't saturate with their paid opinion. They tried a Tucker Carlson show... NO one watched it. So they've been really p***y since then.
  3. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I don't agree with cutting funds to PBS will solve anything, but what I'm really geting upset with is people take pictures of SS Muppets and buting cuss words, and refering to Rommny or what he has planed. can we show a little respect for the SS Muppets please?
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  4. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Because they hate anything that promotes peace, happiness, tranquility, tolerance, and equality.
  5. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    And sharing, cuz that's Commynism...
  6. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Let's not slam one side or the other here. Both sides have very strong and yet very different views on children education. However both side do not believe that PBS or Sesame Street help prepare kids for pre-school. Even though there have been several tests and personal testimony that proves otherwise.

    It's really not about the Muppets at this point, even though Big Bird was mentioned it is about the educational value of the show, and PBS. If we are truly in love with what both stand for then we have to fight for that and help keep the show and it's network on the air.
  7. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I think their concern is more that PBS is a Democrat leaning influence and that makes them nervous. That's all it comes down to for both parties, they don't want the other party to gain advantages.
  8. RC1979

    RC1979 Member


    I did my best on this photo
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's the problem exactly. Yet, the whole PBS is liberal stuff is a myth. I see Washington round table discussions all the time, and they all have Republican commentators. Regular, recurring ones I forget the names of (Pat Buchanan on The MacLaughlin Group is the only one I can remember). Sure, they used to have Bill Moyers, and that was fairly left wing... except of course for the puff piece on Sarah Palin they aired months before she got the call to be McCain's running mate. And it really was the puffiest puff piece there was. You'd think Puff Daddy and Jigglypuff put the thing together. I kinda blame that on her becoming the running mate and being such a celebrity for it.

    :eek: WAIT A SECOND!!!!

    If it wasn't for PBS... if it wasn't for them, they wouldn't have had their biggest celebrity politician they kept trotting out to whine about the president loudly, and they'd lose one of the biggest voices in their precious Tea Party.

    So yeah... I guess the Republicans do owe something to PBS!
  10. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Well Bill Moyers was definitely left wing. And certainly kid's shows making a point of including minority characters tends to be on the liberal side of politics (whether it was Sesame Street having a diverse cast back in the '70s or shows featuring gay characters today). They definitely have Republican commentators but Fox News also frequently has Democrat commentators and they are certainly right wing. So yes I would say PBS has left tendencies. But that's no excuse to attack it. Networks are allowed to have leanings like that. No one is being forced to watch. ;)
  11. RC1979

    RC1979 Member

    Well, aside from that photo, big bird needs some big help and fast
  12. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    15% of federal money according to NBC, or $450 million. Which the pentagon spends every six hours. http://www.decaturdaily.com/stories/Federal-subsidy-for-Big-Bird-and-friends-450-million,104493
    Thats not anything to sneeze at!

    I love how Republicans would rather kill off PBS than dare take a dime from the war machine or corporate/foreign government handouts.

    I guess its more American to give Saudi Arabia and Israel billions of dollars
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    And Conservatives wonder why most of America laughs at them as they do Honey Boo Boo family. I almost feel sorry for conservatives...well til I remember so many of their constiutents say horribly homophobic/racist/misogysnistic/anti science nuttery

    If this is the line of thinking for Christian Conservatives, America is in deep trouble
  14. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Um, that's not quite right either.
    • Only 12-15% of the total PBS budget comes from federal funds.
    • The Center for Public Broadcasting (not PBS) received $444 million dollars in 2012.
    • PBS received only $26 million from the CPB.
    • 93% of Sesame Street's production costs are covered by self-sufficiency and independent donations.
    • Part of the remaining 7% is funded through PBS which, again, receives over 85% of its operating budget from non-federal money.
    So while $444 million is nothing to sneeze at, Big Bird is barely given a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of those dollars while the federal government spends billions upon billions of dollars, in so many other areas that no, $444 does not make one bit of difference to the federal budget.

    Imagine a large carnival-sized jar of jellybeans. Now imagine a speck of poop from a gnat waaaaay at the bottom of the jar. That's how much PBS gets and Sesame Street gets a small percentage of that.
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  15. HandsomeFrog

    HandsomeFrog New Member

  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Of course. Republicans LOVE war. Why, I don't know... maybe they love the glory of being "heroes", and having all kinds of medals pinned on their chests for killing people in other countries that supposedly want to kill us.
  17. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    We can sit here and complain about one party or the other, but do we really have the right to? How many of us (myself inculded) really know who is representing us and our states in Washington. Do we know what they belive do we know what they are fighting for? A lot of us will sadly have to say no to these questions becuase it's easy for us to say "yes that is a real problem and needs to be fixed" and "Well there doing it all wrong" insteed of us really knowing what is going on with our leaders.

    I fill that each state should recive a report card from there congress men and women and from there state senators. make them all more accountable for there actions, and if they start doing things that the state dose not like then they should be replaced.

    See It's not only about the President, he is just the one that most people point there fingers at and say "It's your fault" when that is not always the case.

    We can always say well it was this one party or the other but, do we really know if our congress men and women, or our senators are passing things that we may or may not agree with.
    I say get more involved write your congresmen and women, and senators. Find out where they stand on the issues that matter to you and your state It's time Americans started knowing what is going on in Washinton.
  18. jvcarroll

    jvcarroll Well-Known Member

    Considering that this is America, we do have the right to complain.

    Bickering between the parties is what has left the country behind. Our President had a very hard time passing anything due to the fact he didn't have a majority vote in congress and the Republican leadership made it clear that their "top priority" was to make Obama a one-term president. Health care, the country its citizens took a backseat to a partisan grudge. Republican leadership refuses to deal with the President because they're upset that they lost the last election and that's a big problem. This has happened the other-way-around when we had a Republican president, but never on this scale. Even if you don't like Democratic policies, much of the blame for the country's stagnancy resides with the Republican leadership.

    Before anyone blames the two-party system, it is a historical fact that once a third party becomes competitive enough it replaces one of the two parties. For better or for worse we will always have a two-party system.
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  19. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    Yup, basically both parties are guilty at various times of putting their little competition ahead of what's good for the country.
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  20. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    The day after the debate, Big Bird tweeted "My bed time is usually 7:45, but I was really tired yesterday and fell asleep at 7! Did I miss anything last night?"

    You know what's kinda funny? This is all happening right after the 43rd season debuted. This is getting SST so much more publicity than Elmo: the Musical and it's all FREE! Not just from news media but social media - Big Bird was trending on twitter during the debates and people all over have been proclaiming their Muppet Love. Desbite all the talk about how SST is largely self-sufficient outside of PBS, let's not forget that they've not been that hot financially the last few years (the layoffs, their bare bones style since season 40), and hopefully this leads to a massive outpouring of support from corporate and private donors.
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