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Sesame Street Anounces Layoffs

Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Colbynfriends, Mar 11, 2009.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Things look terrible, but I cannot stress this enough... we as fans have an obligation to help these guys out. We need to sure up any money we have set aside for collectible stuff and put it towards Sesame Street collectibles. Nothing major, either. Check out the Target dollar section... they have a Sesame Street book Starring Herry... as well as stickers and other little fun things. And then there are the collect a pals (See merchandise section)... at 3 bucks each, they're not too shabby... A little bit goes a long way. I'm not saying to go out and buy Elmo Live dolls... but if you're looking for a T-shirt and they have Sesame Street ones, and something else you like... go for the SS one.
  2. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    If people want to buy things like that right now, that's fine. But honestly, a lot of people are looking for work right now and need to save money. Again, it's a company, it's not the big one in trouble.
  3. Colbynfriends

    Colbynfriends Well-Known Member

    I'll support them by getting the 25th anniversery DVD of Follow that Bird, and I already got Street Gang, provied that money goes towards the CTW.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Cutting back is something that we unfortunately have to do,... no debate there. What really costs us in the end is that by cutting back, we're contributing less to the economy... and when people don't buy stuff, that's money taken from other workers... and then we have less and less people buying useless stuff... the capitalist system works only if people can buy as much useless stuff as they can afford in their income bracket.

    What really got us in trouble wasn't people spending money and buying the little things (Toys, meals at inexpensive local restaurants, spending the mark up at an independent/local retailer because they can offer things that WalMart and Kmart can't), it's spending money they didn't have to buy the big big things they really didn't need (giant TV's, clumsilly erected McMansions, i-Stuff, the latest video game consoles as SOON as they come out with a nonpexistant library of games and wiring bugs). All on credit too.

    There's nothing wrong, however, with going to a Dollar Store and picking up a couple SS coloring books to stuff in a kid's Easter basket. I'm talking small things or things you're about to buy anyway... even the smallest things make a difference.
  5. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    No you are very right about that, it's a confusing call to say the least. hehe.

    Yeah I know what you mean, every little bit helps. I have bought SS coloring books in the past for my future kids, hehe. I wish there was more variety of characters, ::wink wink:: that's the only thing that makes me hesitate.
  6. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Actually a lot of their money is coming from the US defense and military industrial complex sadly.

    I do not think Jim Henson would approve of how the US government military has been using Sesame Street songs in their torture programs in Iraq and Gitmo, nor how the RAND corporation and the Pentagon have been having such an incestuous relationship with Sesame Workshop the last few years. I do not believe Jim Henson would approve of all the pro war propaganda Sesame is now entrenching itself into, distorting and warping Sesame canon to "show why Rosita and Elmo's dads are cripled from fighting and killing in the war".

    Im sorry, but Muppets DONT fight wars. Muppets are about peace. And now the Sesame Muppets are being pimped out by these government, military and corporate execs to brainwash children into thinking war is somehow moral and normal.

    These politicians threaten to strip PBS of funding, essentially killing off Sesame...then they turn around and flood SW with Pentagon money in order to sell the public their immoral and unjustified wars in the middle east. People were so outrages that SW dared to have a Muppet with HIV for young South Afrikaan children to relate too, and now the Muppets have truly been perverted with all this war crap.

    And then the total disrespect of Caroll Spinney from Sesame's corporate world, giving him an extreme pay decrease and what seems like pay threats. As well as the disrespect some other creative wonks there seem to give.

    It's all this post Elmo era, post EM.TV era. And it's really unfortunate.
  7. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Bro, I hate to say it but they don't care about the collectors or older fans. They've forsaken them.

    The ONLY Sesame merch you're ever going to be seeing is
    Fisher Price garbage for infants.

    I'm starting to realize just how important International Sesame is, and I wish there was a way we could all see it. Im getting really disgusted with how anathema American Sesame has become in relation to its original intension.

    Remember when "Old School" was released, they dared to freaking have advisory warnings? Gosh forbid we show black children in the slums playing in New York inner city areas!
  8. StreetScenes

    StreetScenes Member

    i agree with many of your points, but i have to say the shows with elmo's and rosita's dads were done very well. no mention of war, fighting, military, sacrifice, freedom, duty, or even doing something for your country. they basically treat the families as victims of something beyond their control (in the same way they did with the show on serious illness, and in the regular show itself with the hurricaine, poverty, racism, etc.), and it's all about what kids feel happening to them and how they can cope and turn it into something positive. you could show those shows to the child of a truck driver who is gone from home frequently and the child of a factory worker who was injured on the job or someone who had been in a car accident, and they would be perfectly applicable.
  9. StreetScenes

    StreetScenes Member

    of course. and they shouldn't be focused on collectors and older fans. their goal is to produce something that helps kids. they have found ways through their podcast and their website to integrate a lot of older material in a way that does that. and gets parents excited to watch with their kids, which also helps their goals. collectors and older fans should be more focused on what will help kids--if we all want to see older material, i think the workshop would respond better to an argument about how it will help reach kids than how older fans like the nostalgia.

    me too. if they're trying to save on production costs, why not run some international segments--there are some animations without words that would require no alteration at all, and other segments that would only require some dubbing. they've dubbed our sesame street into other languages so often, and you're right, a lot of great creative work is coming out of the coproductions. it worked so well bringing the swedish number segments and the claymation bert & ernie to our sesame street, i'd love to see more.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I mean the T-shirts, but exactly right on that one. Of course, let's not forget the Sesame Street action figure curse that killed 2 toy companies. I do mean to say, buy this stuff for your nephews and kids and stuff like that.

    I've been pushing for a new line of PVC's for a while now... there was one they sold at dollar stores back 2 years ago (I got the whole set, and I'm looking for a camera so I can take pictures of it)... it was basically the same Elmo and Ernie stuff... I don't see why they don't take more chances with little things. I'm not calling for a Tickle Me 2 Headed Monster... a nice 40th anniversary PVC set would be nice.
  11. fleecenotfelt

    fleecenotfelt Member

    WELLLLLLL i have to respectfully disagree with you! i definitely miss the sesame street of old that i grew up with.... but i think we all have to remember that the sesame street audience demographic of current times is infant to 2 yrs old-- and audience that is WAY YOUNGER than the 5 yrs olds of back then! so yeah it feels a little dumber than the glory days, but the reality is that the show needs to cater more for the extra young ones. also, the show was never made for us collectors and old school fans -- mostly for kids and their parents! we're just the minority of the sesame street viewership so it would make sense that they can't always have our interests in mind (hence all the majority of infant/pre school toys). i figure if the kids of our generation like the show, and are willing to tune in instead of the other garbage out there, then the show is doing it's job. i think it's unfair to demand sesame street to do what we want if we're not the target audience in the first place.

    also, i know that the sesame street muppets have been involved with the military- BUT! only in the context of dealing with parents in the military being deployed or coming back injured. NOT to promote any wars or violence. and i personally think that it's admirable! i watched it when the talk listen connect show was broadcast on PBS and i nearly cried! no other pre school show is out there helping kids cope emotionally with the devastating idea of a parent/caregiver leaving for an extrended period time with the possibility of that person coming back injured, or god forbit not at all!

    as for the old school parental advisory... i'm pretty sure it's not to warn against black kids playing in inner cities... you just gotta remember the times! we coddle our kids a lot more nowadays than when the old school episodes were produced. so the over around through live action bit with the kids playing in a construction site TOTALLY WOULD NOT FLY. and even though old school was created for nostalgic adults, not preschool kids, just the fact that it's a sesame street title... parents will stick their young ones in front of the tv to watch. so i think sesame workshop is just protecting themselves from any parental backlash-- old school episodes were made for kids in the past, not the generation growing up now that have A LOT MORE RULES than we all did before. i think the fact that old school needed a disclaimer speaks more to the kind of parenting that's prevalent now, not the content.

    i will agree, that it would be nice to have access to the international productions... i'd be really curious to see israeli/palestinian co-production.

    anyway, those are my (more than) two cents.
  12. Colbynfriends

    Colbynfriends Well-Known Member

    Its weird, I thought the advisory warnings were there to tell us that these episodes don't fit the criteria of learning now a days, not because it had kids playing at construction sites.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well I guess that sounds better than what I was reading.
    I think they should have had Oscar explain that Rosita and Elmo's dad almost got killed fighting for Haliburton, Unocal, and Mobil corporation.

    The reason this doesn't sit right with me, is because Sesame Workshop now gets heavy defense department funding, but LOOK
    what our own government is using Sesame Street music for in Iraq for "interrogation"
    Sesame should sue the US government, not take handouts from the Pentagon, RAND and the other war profiteers

    And the same politicians who were trying to vote to end PBS financing are the same guys who were voting to finance these wars.

    Im just glad Elmo and Rosita's parents are still alive. 5000 US soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq haven't been so lucky.
  14. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh I hear you about the focus, totally. However for years we saw a ton of good quality Sesame merchandise for the older/collector/underground market.

    Also, you are so right; there's such a rich gold mine of skits and animation from international Sesame productions.

    I HIGHLY applaud Sesameworkshop for their "Youtube" like video archive, I find it amazing. One of these days I'm hoping their can be selected clips from foreign Sesame productions:)
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well look at early Sesame Street. Right there in the first show 40 years ago this year, Gordon is engaging kids in a very adult, almost existential discussion with the WhatNots. And I just don't think many of these suburban soccer mom parents can comprehend what it must have been like to be a kid in 1960's and 1970's inner city New York, where there wasn't much to do *but* play in junk heaps and explore around downtrodden areas. I'm glad Sesame has tried to retain the inner city vibe and the deep resonating intergrated specialness of the show.

    About modern Sesame. I love Zoe, Rosita, Telly...and its funny to see Sesame Street make fun of the bloated housing market scam(salesmen tries to sell Bird an Amazon house in an episode they taped in February) and other issues.
    I also like all the guest stars they have, from Adam Sandler to Tina Fey. I'm not sure I like the format change, but I'm glad the whole show hasn't been taken over by Elmo:)
  16. CensoredAlso

    CensoredAlso Well-Known Member

    I still vehemently disagree with that disclaimer, it was completely unnecessary and needlessly degrading.
  17. Colbynfriends

    Colbynfriends Well-Known Member

    I agree, just the thought of parental warnings on a SS DVD is bad. I hope when the 40th anaversary boxset comes out (if it comes out) doesn't have any type of warning. Sesame Street is both universal, and can age well, if given the chance.
  18. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    Is there some reason why we're talking this thread off topic?
  19. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    Think you're a bit off in your commentary.

    Think parents, even earlier generations would of been just as concerned about kids palying in places where they shouldn't be playing.
  20. SSLFan

    SSLFan Well-Known Member

    Disrespect? How!:concern:

    He's a living legend! Who would treat a man such as Mr. Spinney this way? It's really unfair.:rolleyes:


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