Snoop Doggy Dog (The Degenerate)

[Patty E.]

To Frogboy:
Do you mean "Dogg" is appearing on other children's programs?

 

[frogboy4]

Yes, that is the word. Music and other children's projects. You may search for the details on your own. I don't feel right facilitating some sort of letter writing campaign that I don't necessarily agree with.

 

[Patty E.]

I think folks agree, the honor would be tremendous to guest on any Muppet program. I am dumfounded that the evaluation/research progress for a guest was not executed more thoughtfully.

B.B. King and Smokey Robinson, are a few ringers, that are well respected in the community.

Patty E.

 

[frogboy4]

Both good performers, but I think NBC and Henson were trying to get someone current. Why do I get the feeling that if it were up to you, a perfectly good Weezer music video would never have been made? I really think all this petition writing and censorship efforts distasteful. If it were some sort of petition to bring back Fraggle Rock or to have Muppet projects released in widescreen formats I would sign up. But policing what other viewers can watch just seems lame to me. Go for it, it's a free country. I feel that better efforts can be made in supporting things you do like than tearing down what you don't. It's all just ridiculous in my eyes. Just how I see it. I thought I was out of this thread but it keeps pulling me back in.

 

[Patty E.]

Frog... I find it most surprising that anyone would find the Muppets and a person connected with pornography and gangbanging a suitable mix for the program. Further, I am not involved in "censorship" or "petition writing'" those are your assumptions and your words.

 

[Luke]

Originally posted by frogboy4
But policing what other viewers can watch just seems lame to me.

As someone in broadcasting, i agree for the most part but obviously there are certain situations that need to be policed and the reasons we have guidelines. For instance a friend of mine was a producer on a betting show where they asked viewers to bet on how many soccer goals a guy with one leg could score against a guy with no arms, and they paid actual disabled people to act out the skit in a comedy environment. Just watching it made me sick, not because the people were disabled, or that that they were playing soccer but because it was clear the producers were making light of their disabilities and hoping viewers would laugh at them.

Sometimes things are pulled far too easily though and just to avoid adverse publicity or bad reviews. Not enough accountability goes on in TV and it's all down to media strategies and who will say what or think what - it all usually comes down to some big gamble. It's also always the suits that decide and not the creative people involved in the art - and theres a lot of people who cannot understand art or creativity in TV.

 

[frogboy4]

Patty e

You reported your writing a letter supporting censorship (cutting Snoop out) of the Muppet special. That was not meant to be argumentative.

It seems that this is more about an agenda than sharing the love of Muppets with other forum members. I hope I am wrong about that. We are all die-hard Muppet supporters here and have an extensive knowledge of the history and program. Maybe you do too, but how the heck would we know that? You haven't really allowed us that privilege.

Instead, you keep repeating the same statements and haven't responded to several very good points that people have made in this thread. This forum is about sharing and communication. It is certainly your right to speak your mind, but being mindful of others is the way to gain friends.

I do not appreciate your rude "Frog...” tone. I see that you have been attacked by others and may be in defense mode, but you have to expect opposition to such loaded and heavy-handed statements.

I really shouldn't have gotten into this in the first place. I just make things pretty around here. LOL! I enjoy a healthy debate, but this clearly seems like a one-person crusade. I look forward to your sharing something about the Muppets in another thread. We highly value new members here.

 

[sidcrowe]

This isn't out to anybody specific–it's just a general comment. I like y'all too much to slight anyone. I'd rather keep things to myself than mix it up with everybody.

I hate censorship, but...

Snoop was involved–for real–with a murderous organization.

Until he states that his gang life was the biggest mistake he's ever made, and that they are scum, and he stops trading (making money) from the gangsta mystique, then he has no place anywhere.

Of all places, he has no place whatsoever in any project bearing the signature of Jim Henson.

We're all enjoying a debate here. No one, including myself, can ever be 100% right.

Nevertheless, we share our opinions with one another, and respond to each other in kind as best we can.

We do not kill one another.

 

[Patty E.]

Sid,
I agree, some form of disclosure from the cockroach regarding his gangbanging, drug dealing, pimpin' ways are over. The company does not need to contaminate its name or offend its loyal audience by providing a venue for that nonsense.

Patty E.

 

[sidcrowe]

Patty

The act of murder transcends this debate.

Good people jostle one another with words–not bullets.

Those involved with the business of killing their fellows should never be entertained or tolerated by those who do not. While I do not believe in everlasting punishment, I DO believe in eternal vigilance against those who would soil and ruin the good things of the world.

Use your imaginations, people.

Imagine walking into a crack-infested gang house a few years ago with Snoop and his ilk inside. Imagine walking in there holding a Kermit doll and wearing a Muppet t-shirt and politely asking them to turn down the music and stop dealing drugs in your neighbourhood.

You'd get your head blown off.

Then your assailants would get high, laugh at what they did, forget all about you, and move on.

That's the face of evil. That's reality.

Until Snoop fully renounces the bloodthirsty cult of slime he once participated in, he has no business or moral entitlement to be a part of any project with the Henson company.

I'm not a member of any organized religion, but I know evil when it crosses my path, and I hope this thread gets read by Henson employees again and again, so that they may take at least a minute in the future to consider who they allow to be included in their projects.

For an interesting take on what decent people think of gangs, check out the movie Falling Down. There's a scene where Michael Douglas is confronted by a gang member, and he yells at him about the sickening banalities of a gang's "turf," and their willingness to kill for no reason at all.

I hope Patty did reach a Henson employee from this board, and got the scene cut.

To Hades with Snoop.