Snoop Doggy Dog (The Degenerate)

I read through this entire post and I gotta say, it's pretty amusing...

now, I don't care if Snoop is on the muppets or not...although the lack of electric mayhem saddens me...I've never heard a song of his in my life, and although I don't approve of some of his choies, I'm a foirm believer in not judging others...

anyhw, what I DON'T beleive in is watchdog groups. I beleive that I should have the right to choose for myself and any minors in my charge what is appropriate to watch. Censorship is not a good thing. Case in point, if "watchdog" groups had been successful 2000 years ago, we wouldn't have a Christian bible today (of course,back then, instead of letter writing, it was lion feeding time). You sure wouldn't have shakespeare either. Not to mention say, Anne Frank's Diary...there's a lot of really good material out there that have been targetted by watchdog groups of the past....

Oh, about sex and violence in media. Do you let your kids read the bible? Cause there's some pretty heavy pornograpic material in there. Anyone read song of solomon? (especially if you have the correct translation, where the word "navel" or "bellybutton" is more accurately translated as "******"). Now, you're going to say that Solomon was speaking about his wife, but the guy had about 40 of them. This was the wisest man ever? what about King David, a confessed murderer and adulterer? Lot, the only man worth saving in soddom and gommorah offered his two virgin daughters up to be raped by a viscious mob and was rewarded by God for it! Makes Judas betrayal seem like kid stuff....Jacob, founder of the land of israel, lied and tricked his father and brother, and showed great pride towards God...Moses was a drunkard, as was Abraham, who also cheated on his wife. I forget who it was who got drunk and allowed himself to be seduced by both his daughters? The disciples of Jesus were all deadbeat dads....

Anyhow, that's probably enough to get my point across. All of the above mentioned biblical examples were redeemable. Why isn't Snoop? And why should e be censored when these stories aren't? It's a double standard....

But then, that's why, even though I'm christian, I refuse to join a church...the entire faith is very hypocritical....

but enough about that...I have to go think of more muppety stuff

You know, I've never seen any asterixes in the Bible... better check that out!

Don't get me started. Think of the Rightwing Religious zealots that kill people so there won't be abortions. And the same people who love their fellow man... only if he is white, strait, rich, and male. And don't get me started about oter religions, and Suicide bombers. Trust me! I'll never stop.

I cannot stand people blinded so much by their own faith, reading between the lines, that they can't even read the real lines!!!

what an odd word to be censored..umm...well, the ***** was the scientifically correct and not at all dirty word for the primary sex characterstic of a woman.

Gangs

Gang appeal has no appeal, it's neither "funny or zany" even in Muppet land.

Ask the business owner robbed at gunpoint, or the parents of an innocent child executed by gang members. A deviant lifestyle and life of crime is why one joins the CRIPS. If he denounced his ties with this very violent and destructive group who conducted the interview, where is the article? Instead, he acts like a calling card.

Respectfully,
Patty E.

I don't use a calling card.
I use 1-800 Call ATT Free for me, Cheap for them!

Bless Carrot Top!

Re: Gangs

Actually, I thought the Daily Show story on the hot new reading trend referencing the New York City street kids (with a shot from Sesame Street) was incredibly funny. I laughed and laughed.

Oh, and Patty, I think if you don't start answering people's questions, neither you, nor your points will be taken very seriously.

Ha ha!! Me likey! Oh, you kidz...

I doubt she actually reads any of the other posts...just comes in here to sprout propaganda

well, I should give her some credit..she skims over them perhaps....

Re: Snoop Doggy Dog- Degenerate Lifestyle

Wow! Isn't that just a tad bit completely insane?

I love vulgar humour. "Strangers with Candy," John Waters, Margaret Cho, you name it. If its filthy and like poison to America's impressionable minds, I'm all for it.

Okay, so I'm being sarcastic. I place INTELLIGENCE & ORIGINALITY over leanings toward either vulgarity or purity.
P.S. I just downloaded a Snoop Dogg song and, as a result, I've chosen to devote my life to profanity, pornography, violence and illicit substances. Behold the power of some guy named 'Snoop.'

Re: Re: Snoop Doggy Dog- Degenerate Lifestyle

Strangers With Candy is my all time favorite show!
I miss it and want them to put it on DVD. But since it is so impure and vulgar and not good for me to see, I don't think I will ever see that day come.

>>>A deviant lifestyle and life of crime is why one joins the CRIPS. <<<

What is this, 1988? *brings back memories of Metroid, NWA gangsta rap tapes, and ALF reruns*


>>>Anyhow, that's probably enough to get my point across. All of the above mentioned biblical examples were redeemable.<<<

I hate to say this, but I think due to the mostly disturbing nature of bibles...be it the Torah, Qur'an, or Testament...excerpts from said scripture dont belong on here. No wonder so many wars have been fought over these words. If the bible were truly be made into a movie word for word, its be NC-17.

>>>Don't get me started. Think of the Rightwing Religious zealots that kill people so there won't be abortions. And the same people who love their fellow man... only if he is white, strait, rich, and male. And don't get me started about oter religions, and Suicide bombers. Trust me! I'll never stop.<<<

Heh, well I swore 4 years ago after the whole "Odyssey" debate on the old MC, I wouldnt get involved in this debate.
But yes, fundamentalists and extremists have really done a doozy on the idea of religions. But when youre introduced from birth to a faith its hard to know anythign else.

My idea on religion? Its silly, because it is ALL geographic.
If you were born in the middle east youd be Muslim...Israel youd be Jewish. India youd be Sikh or Hindu, etc. So people who really stand behind their religion, are primarily doing so due to basic geographic happenstance for the most part. As far as people complaining about Christain fundamentalists in America. Just be glad you dont live in Israel or surrounding middle eastern countries. There, religion and life is so intertwined its enought to make your head explode. Here in the states, you can chose on your own what faith you want to adhere to, be it Judaism, Christianity and its billions of offshoots, Buddhism, Islam, etc.

NC-17???? TRY XXX!!

To Pat E.

Never in my life, have I seen anyone say, "man! I just heard a Snoop Dog song! Now I want to deal drugs and kill people."

Why the heck are you idiot censors screaming if any kind of program that may be Juveniley attractive, while so much other show boarder on pornography?

I mean, come on! I don't think a little five year old will watch this (if they didn't pull it) and say....WOW!!! I wanna be a gansta too! I wanna deal drugs because some guy on TV has songs about it!

Maybe you should spend more time picketing Jerry Springer and Jenny Jones than Ren and Stimpy, the Simpsons, and the Muppets.

Get a clue!!!

*snorts* What makes you think we're taking her seriously now? Well, those of us who have been replying as of late, that is.

But you do have a valid point. It makes me wonder whether or not she even cares what the rest of us think, whether we agree with her or not.

-Kim

Where is the article or interview where Calvin AKA "Snoop" dissociates himself from the CRIPS? Most gang members die on the street or in prison. If he has separated himself from that loser lifestyle then he should be proud. Imagine the contribution he could make for children "at risk" if in fact he renounced that nonsense.

Respectfully,
Patty E.

I have been reading this thread, and it's pretty silly to see how some people sound very much like Sam the Eagle. I had to blink a few times.

But if an artist shouldn't work with the Muppets just because they have written songs about drugs and sex, or they have used drugs in the past is silly. I'm sure that there would only be a handful of episodes of The Muppet Show.

Take Paul Simon for example. He appeared on Sesame Street a couple of times, as well as the Muppet Show. In the 60's he did drugs. After concerts he and Art Garfunkel would go back to their hotel rooms and smoke pot. It wasn't until around 1970 that he quit doing drugs.

But then there were his song lyrics. Some have references to drugs, sex, crime, suicide, and so on (not all at once, and not as "graphic" as today's songs, but they're still in there).

Honestly, I thought it would have been pretty funny to see Snoop with the Muppets. But I'll never know now...

Hey, now - Notice to everyone

I think it's going a little too far with the insults and there hasbeen some inflammatory language on both sides here.

I know things are heated on the forum right now but lets not make it personal. This originated as a healthy debate about the Muppet special; there has been no wrongdoing between members but it is definitely heading in that direction.

This is really about difference of opinion, but I can see this getting out of hand quickly. I'm all for a civil debate but lets not lose site that we should respect the opinions of others. Patty certainly did not single-handedly ruin Christmas or make the decision to delete the scene. No individual has that control. That is up to Henson. We are some very passionate Muppet fans indeed!

Snoop has the distinction of belonging to the Crips, ( a violent and destructive force), he advocates a gang lifestyle, promotes a pimpin' lifestyle. This makes him very different from Guests which have proceeded him.

Respectfully,
Patty E.

1. I respect Patty E's opinions...you remember the outright inflamatory things said on that 'Sesame HIV' thread? This aint nothin folks, if ya remember that.

2. Doesnt "Patty E" Sound like a gangsta rapper? Patty, I kid.
(I make a habbit of inane observations, heh)

Patty E has a legitamate concern she raises. Yes it sounds glaringly like the parody Sam the Eagle is suppose to be at time, but out of all the JHC guests Snoop does seem to take the cake in terms of shadyness. I could understand if, say Marilyn Manson was to do the letter of the day on Sesame Street.

JHC has usually gone with PG rappers(ie: Coolio) so its weird theyd go with a washed out rapper. I think they should have gone with Busta Rhymes, as he just seems more Muppety.
(any rapper who references Star Wars in a song is cool beans with me)

Sadly though, I worry if really cool Muppet segments might have been editied out in an effort of JHC to coddle to various outspoken people and censors...or were we saved from an embarassing cameo ala Hulk Hogan in MFS?

Lets hope there are extras on the DVD! I wonder if they will sell one - this year or next. hopefully they will have the offer in a commercial during the program. A current practice. Maybe some of these extra minutes will be seen by our overseas friends if it gets aired over there.

Would it be the same sort of thing if P. Ditty..or is is Puff Daddy again... appeared. Maybe so, but probably not as much. And Snoop seemed so proud of his work on the Conan O'Brian Show.