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The Future of the Muppets

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Muppet Master, Apr 28, 2014.

  1. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Since MMW has done modest at best at the box office, what do you think Disney'll do next to ojur furry friends? Will they just go and release loads of classic muppet DVDs, will we finally get a primetime TV show we wanted, will Disney make a new muppet film in 2017?
  2. ToonGeek

    ToonGeek Well-Known Member

    If they do, my guess would be a primetime television show, I don't see another film happening anytime soon, and I defently don't see Disney releasing classic Muppet material other than the movies and maybe the specials, but yeah, primetime television show I can see at the very best Disney could do.
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  3. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    I think that a TV series would be the best for the franchise as a whole, it would give a great chance for character development and giving all the Muppets a spotlight as opposed to having to focus on a few in the movies. I don't know that Disney has enough faith in them to give them one right now, even though ABC is desperate for any sort of successful program right now. I don't see them fitting in on either ABC Family (all their original programming are dramas) or Disney Channel (too young an audience), so it would be ABC or bust.

    As for the format of the show, I don't think a variety show would be a good idea because it would make them too dependent on each week's guest star. For every John Cleese or Glenda Jackson the original show had there was a Gladys Knight or Liberace. So I think a sitcom would be the best idea. Perhaps each season could be built around a theme (the Muppets are developing a Broadway show, the Muppets have been given a talk show, etc.) so that you could sprinkle in musical numbers and guests, but keep the focus on the Muppets.

    Will any of this happen? Who knows. I'd like to see Disney dip their foot in the water by giving the Muppets a Muppet-centric special, perhaps a real Christmas special (compared to the Lady Gaga focused one from last year). If the special does well, then try another one and go from there.
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  4. FunnyBear

    FunnyBear Well-Known Member

    They're ignore the Muppets again, a few specials, and giving them a few new pieces of merchandise here and there and then "POOF!" New movie in 2022.
  5. Plaid Fraggle

    Plaid Fraggle Well-Known Member

    I've never really thought of this! I like it, even though on the whole I really don't like sitcoms too much. (This would end up being, like, the best example of the medium on television if done right, haha.)

    I like that there's plenty of room for guest stars, but not too much focus on them. Even better is that many (most?) sitcoms run about 22 minutes long, considering commercial breaks. That would be an ample amount of time for hi jinx but wouldn't allow for anything to overstay its welcome from week-to-week.

    The thematic shifts season-to-season also sound wonderful :)

    And I see what you mean about ABC being the best bet, although maybe ABC Family would also not be a bad idea. I just know more people who actually watch ABC Family, and something quirky could spruce up their melodramatic line-up. (Keep in mind I have no idea what's running on ABC or ABC Family right now, but I have an idea of the programming due to what I've seen in years past.)
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  6. ToodlesTeam

    ToodlesTeam Well-Known Member

    I feel like the best move for the Muppets would probably be a show, but there really doesn't seem to be a good home for them on television right now. At least, not anything that Disney owns. It almost makes me wonder if developing a show for Netflix or even Disney Movies Anywhere might be the better direction to go. Then it wouldn't be quite as hard to reach the right audience, because there wouldn't be the natural dissonance with the programing around it that you'd have on ABC or Disney Channel or whatever.

    The other possibly that I thought of is that maybe the Muppets could go the direct-to-DVD route, since Disney loves to have annual franchises to turn out on a yearly basis, like the Tinker Bell and Buddies movies. Muppet movies are cheap to produce and, since they have a consistent set of performers to depend on, the quality could potentially be a step above what is the standard for direct-to-DVD Disney stuff. Of course, the potential is also very real for Disney to churn out a bunch of horrid Muppet movies, too. But it still seems like a realistic possibility for Disney might do with the characters.
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  7. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    I would be really surprised at a TV show in the works...as Kermit said for it to happen the movie would have to do really well and while it may not have bombed it certainly didn't knock anything out of the ball park either. *And dont go flaming me for saying so it's reality!" Sure it may not be a failure as a Muppet film but do you honestly think Disney is looking at it that way? I don't think so. And even if they do a TV show not many people are into the vaudeville thing anymore so they may have to figure out another way to make it appeal to today's audience. And yes I know for us the same format would be great but the general public isn't really like us is it? :p I personally think the best thing though would be for them to do a TV show. I think I'd lay off the movies for awhile.

    TV specials would be good too and not just Christmas specials I'd love to see a Halloween or Valentines Day special. Of course seeing TMS seasons 4 and 5 released on DVD would make me sing the hallelujah chorus. :p I just hope they don't go sticking them in stupid guests spots like the tween shows on Disney Channel. Their too good for that! I think there will no doubt be a future with Muppets I just don't know how much. I hope to god I'm wrong and Disney sees how important they are to today's pop culture.
  8. Plaid Fraggle

    Plaid Fraggle Well-Known Member

    I hope that the Netflix thing is feasible, because I could see that working fairly well. Unfortunately I put very little stake in Disney's direct-to-DVD stuff. I'd love to see it work well, but my gut feeling is that it could brand the Muppets with a stigma of poorer quality or something, even if the DVD productions were pretty good. (And that's a pretty big 'if,' in my humble opinion!) That kind of association could be hard to breach once they focus the franchise efforts in the direct-to-DVD market.

    I also really like Pinkflower's suggestion of Valentine's and other holiday specials. Those could be cute, and specials like that already have a nostalgia factor about them. Television specials are novel but have been around for what, sixty years? :) There's a "rarity" associated with a special showing on television.
  9. charlietheowl

    charlietheowl Well-Known Member

    The problem with guest stars is that it makes the show tenuous from week-to-week. You don't want to have to rely on stunt casting to get people to tune in, or else you've basically become The Office post Steve Carell's departure. The most sustainable way to build a successful show is to have a steady group of good characters, and I think the Muppets have that without needing more than sporadic guests.
  10. ToodlesTeam

    ToodlesTeam Well-Known Member

    I'm right there with ya on the stigma of poor quality that comes with direct-to-DVD. Mainly because it's almost always completely justified. I don't really want to see the Muppets go that direction. But it does seem like the type of direction Disney might go, what with MMW not raking in the bucks and a tv show feeling a little incongruous with Disney's current television line-up. The Netflix show seems the best to me, but I don't really know if Disney would want to go that direction. But it seems like it would have the highest chance of producing a quality production without betting too much money on it.
  11. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Honestly, I'm not really concerned with if they get a new TV show or not. Of course, I'll certainly be excited, interested and happy to watch any new Muppets TV show. But right now- no matter whether another movie comes along soon or not (though I would welcome more Muppet movies even more so than a TV series)- I just mainly want to see the classic Muppet material get released to DVD. I really hope that when "Muppets Most Wanted" gets released to DVD, "The Muppet Show" Seasons 4 and 5 will soon follow! (And I hope they are loaded up with tons of special features- like say, all the various specials that have yet to get an official video release of any sort- "Of Muppets and Men", "The Muppets Go to the Movies", "The Muppets Go Hollywood", "The Fantastic Miss Piggy Show", "The Muppets at Walt Disney World" and still others.:)[​IMG]
    And then I'd love to see "Muppets Tonight!" get released to DVD.:skeptical:[​IMG][​IMG]:rolleyes: [​IMG][​IMG]
    And of course, "Muppet Babies" on DVD.[​IMG]
    And "The Jim Henson Hour" on DVD. (Well, I know some of the specials have been released to DVD- I'd love to see a separate DVD set of all the MuppetTelevision segments. And then maybe all the specials could be put together on a separate DVD set. And then release one big box set with all of it!):electric:[​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
    And then after getting some of this classic material out ("John Denver and The Muppets: A Christmas Together" on DVD- I must mention that one- LOVE that special and would LOVE to see an official DVD release)-
    then.......I would enjoy seeing more Muppet movies down the road along the way- and maybe a TV series if that's the plan.
  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    All I can say is, they should try for one more film in a couple years and then make a decision. Just don't release it late in a month that wasn't meant to be kind to any other film there was. they may not have got the amount of money the film should have made, but at least they didn't lose John Carter or Lone Ranger money. Then again, Hitchhiker's Guide made over 100 Mil on a budget of 50 mil, and was never heard from again. But then again, that didn't need to sell T-shirts.

    Other than that, I just don't see a TV show unless they can get one on Disney Channel or something. The Muppets have never fared well on network television, and indeed wouldn't have had a TV show in the first place if it wasn't for syndication.

    I just hope we don't have a series of lackluster DTV projects that try to get every audience but Muppet fans again.

    I want to see a special that has time and effort spent on it. Whatever anyone's view on the Lady Gag special was, I think we can all agree that it was rushed and careless. And frankly, so wasn't LTS. We need something that's well written, sure... but well written to the point of having a sustainable plot and less missed opportunities. I like LTS, but by all means it felt like everyone besides Kermit, Gonzo, Fozzie, Rizzo, and Pepe just didn't care and disappeared faster than they should have. Especially Piggy, who was almost too ticked off by not going on vacation, she refused to be in the rest of the special. It was like watching the first 20 minutes of a movie and the last 20 minutes of a movie with the middle removed.
  13. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    Perhaps another remake of a book like MTI. But I don't know.
  14. Pinkflower7783

    Pinkflower7783 Well-Known Member

    No offense but if they ever do them in another story adaption that'll be a turn off for me. I know a lot of people liked MCC and MTI but I'd have to pass.
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  15. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    I agree. I didn't mean another adaption, but rather the same idea to do another remake of something else.
  16. fozzieisfunny

    fozzieisfunny Well-Known Member

    A TV show would be wonderful, but don't worry with the movie part. Because, I (don don don da) have taken the liberty of writing a Muppet script, then mailing it to Disney to see if they want to pick it up as a movie. Okay, I doubt that they're going to get it produced, but you can still have faith in me, right??
  17. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    No need for Disney to make a new muppet show that may or may not succed, I JUST WANT THE MUPPET SHOW RERUNS ON TV!! Is that really too much to ask? If they are not going to bother to release S4 and 5 just put them on television. And not on Disney Channel or some other goofy cable channel, something like MY13 or KDOC, non cable channels that run classic show reruns. Come on Disney, we have i love lucy, married with children, fraiser, seinfeld (happy 60th for seinfeld by the way) ect., why not TMS?
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  18. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    I agree with reruns 100% dearest.
  19. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    With reruns on a non-cable channel, people will have easy access to the show, and this new generation will "discover" the muppets, so if they make another movie, audience will be mroe familiar, that's why TMM and GMC were box office success stories, because they had a free show to watch to reassure them that it's worth paying the price to watch these on the big screen. I can watch TMS on DVD all I want, but actually watching it on a daily/weekly basis would be better (but I still love watching TMS on DVD), I actually want to start a petition for this.
  20. Happy Haunt

    Happy Haunt Member

    Personally I like both the idea for reruns and a new show. Reruns will serve the purpose of introducing new fans to the original show, and also be a way to watch season 4 and 5. But I'm sure the annoying fact about the DVD releases has been discussed elsewhere already.

    And a new show would be great, new stories and more character development is a plus. As somebody already mentioned, you only get so much from a movie which is limited in how many characters it can represent properly. I liked the idea about a sitcom-style show... as I agree that the verity show format would probably not work with today's audiences.

    Here's hoping for another movie too.
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