1. Welcome to the Muppet Central Forum!
    You are viewing our forum as a guest. Join our free community to post topics and start private conversations. Please contact us if you need help with registration or your account login.

  2. "Muppets Most Wanted" Fan Reactions
    After you see "Muppets Most Wanted", read fan reactions and let us know your thoughts on the Muppets eighth theatrical film.

  3. "Muppets Most Wanted" Original Soundtrack
    With a new Muppet movie one of the most anticipated merchandise releases is the official soundtrack. Listen to the Muppets Most Wanted original soundtrack now playing on Muppet Central Radio.

The Muppets 2011 Script

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by muppetlover123, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    Any download can be harmful, but I've downloaded it and it seems to be fine.

    I shall be giving this script a good read later! From the clips I've read, it certainly needs work, but I can't wait to see it! Parts of it remind me of Muppet Man...which i am NOT a fan of though (Grey-haired Gonzo). Glad that it got the changes that it needed!
  2. mo Well-Known Member

    i read a bit of it and got bored it's really corny and unfunny thank gonzo they did change!
  3. Borples Active Member

    It told me the same thing. But my computer tells me that about everything, so I chanced it and nothing's blown up...yet. ;)
  4. Cal New Member

    Okay, so I'm roughly halfway through reading this script, and it's a bit of a mixed bag so far, but... dagnabbit, why didn't “MICHAEL CLAYTON 2: THIS TIME IT’S LESS COMPLICATED AND HAS MORE ACTION" make it into the final cut?

    EDIT: Okay, so finished reading it, and that was VERY mediocre overall. I can certainly see why Frank Oz turned it down. I was about to make a looooooong rant about everything wrong about this first draft, but... meh, there's no point, the problems are obvious (the Muppets being out of character, the lack of any real emotional weight, Gary and Mary being bland as ****, referring to the Muppets as bloody PUPPETS. SEVERAL TIMES. WHAT), and the vast, vast majority of the first draft's flaws were evidently ironed out in future redrafts before the final version of the film - which I now admire, and am glad we have, more than ever before.

    Still, some jokes in this first draft were funny and I wish they were left in, it would have been nice to get a full rendition of Together Again in the final film, and pretty much every character outside of Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie, Scooter, Walter and Animal seemed to have more to do in this script. But most of those small advantages the first draft has over the final are trivial, fan pleasing stuff anyway.

    But yeah. So so so so so so so glad the script went through plenty of alterations before the final product began shooting.
  5. miss kermie Well-Known Member

    i thought finding a script was easy as typing "script for..." on the internet, honestly.
  6. muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    ohhh nice thank u soo much Superstarseven
  7. DannyRWW Well-Known Member

    I can't really see how Frank OZ was that upset...it feels like a very unpolished script. It seemed very rough with room open for better characterization. I can't imagine that a seasoned film veteran like Frank Oz couldn't tell that this needed a lot of work. The basic idea is there and that did work.
  8. MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the upload?

    And gee... this feels like fan fiction. I'm glad the Muppeteers (and Pixar, if I remember correctly?) stepped in and showed them what was what.

    Edit: Yeah. Sorry, but this script is pretty bad. Very unprofessional. Are you sure this is a real script and not a fan project? I know Segal's a fan, but the guy can write at least.
  9. mo Well-Known Member

    I'm kinda glad this was the script frank oz turned down I thought it was the one from the movie now!
  10. Beauregard Well-Known Member

    True, but that's easy for us to say now, having seen the final result.

    I tried to imagine myself reading it without having any other information about the project and I know it would have made me very annoyed to imagine anyone making it into an actual movie.

    Compare the Miss Piggy here to the Miss Piggy in the final movie, and I can totally see why it would be seen as totally disrespectful to her whole history.
  11. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I think the fan base and the media took everything out of context. Like I've said a million times, I'm a little more disappointed that Frank didn't help shape the script, but that's understandable since he's so busy with other things.

    I'm going to wait until there's something on either Muppet wiki or tough pigs that detailed highlights of what this script was like before. Somehow it does seem like if they shot the movie that way, THEN all the criticisms would have been right. But said Muppet personnel fixed this movie and gave us the great film we got instead.
    Muppet fan 123 and Beauregard like this.
  12. heralde Well-Known Member

    And still I don't know why you're assuming he'd even be listened to if he had tried.
  13. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The final project means they would listen.

    Think of it this way... if you were a huge Muppet fan and wrote a script and showed it around some Muppet Vets who said, "So and So wouldn't say this! This script needs some rewrites, and I'd do things this way..." you'd gladly take the criticism and ask them for help to shape it into something better. This isn't one of those big studio "we wanna get money" type deals where they force a stupid concept into the film, this would be a suggestion from someone who was their near the beginning that personally knew Jim. The fact they even went to him off the bat shows how much respect they have for him. If Frank suggested anything, they'd gladly pull out a notebook and pen and scribble down anything he would have said, even if their arms were hurting. Why? Because any rational Muppet fan who's making a movie would.

    It seems that Jason, Nick, and James were all for getting suggestions and feedback from the Muppet people at Disney and the puppeteers. They wouldn't have had a table read without it. Disney coulda just made the entire film sight unseen, but the Muppet staff wanted to craft something that's essentially a fan fic into an official product. Not once during the process did you hear stories of script problems by the studio that got the staff completely angry over the rewrites and suggestions they were given. This is the internet age. If someone so much gets a stomach bug while eating bad catered food on the set of the movie, we'd know what movie, which star, what they ate, and the name of the food company the second it happened.

    So, yeah, it's an assumption, but there's far too much evidence to suggest that they didn't welcome the changes. This wasn't a Cool World or Looney Tunes BIA situation.
  14. heralde Well-Known Member

    Not if I was with Sesame Street apparently. ;)

    Nor most of the Star Trek movie writers who quickly stopped taking the original creator's advice (arguably for good reason in that case).

    Every Hollywood movie is a big studio "we wanna get money" type deal.

    That I will grant. :)

    Again, you're assuming something you have no first hand knowledge of.

    Again, I will grant you that. :)
  15. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Well, the DVD and blu-ray come out next week. Maybe they'll reveal any big problems on the audio commentary...;)
  16. Warldorf Active Member

    I don't know what everyone is saying. This is a great script! In fact, some parts I'd rather have than on the real movie! The part with Bruce Springsteen and the sharks really cracked me up!
  17. MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member

    Eh, I don't know. It is written with very amateurish hands. I'm rather suspicious of this one.
  18. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There's a difference. The Muppet movie had to answer to a nostalgic fan base, while that sort of fan base is the least of SW's problems. I mean, we're here to buy shirts and watch clips on youtube. They have to deal with so many child educators and child psychologists, all the while having to compete with vapid changes to kid's programming. I tend to think the writers and staff secretly harbor a resentment towards that, but they have to comply to compete. Educational shows have a LOT more to answer to than people that watched them when they were kids and liked them is what I'm saying.
  19. heralde Well-Known Member

    I'd agree except for the multitude of horrific remakes of nostalgic TV shows and movies Hollywood keeps horrifying us with. They don't seem to care about a nostalgic fan base in those (many) cases.
  20. minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    You know, I'm a little scared to download this, mainly because downloading might not be safe. I'm sure I'll eventually give in, but I'm not sure.
    But tell me, does this draft have Uncle Deadley? Is it the one that ends with it revealed that Tex Richman was really Kermit?

    I've read some mention that the Muppets seem to have awkwardness after returning. I sort of expected that in the movie (the "You think we should have rented a bigger car?" scene seems to have shown some signs of awkwardness, especially in the trailer when we see more of the scene). It is weird that, when they are all together, it's like they'd never really had any conflict (aside from Kermit and Piggy's conflict).

Share This Page

Visit the Sesame Street Store Today!