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The Muppets (2015) One Year Later

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by Muppet Master, Mar 4, 2017.

  1. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    March 1, 2016 marked the end of the 16-episode run of The Muppets. Many hated it, many loved it, but the question is what do you think of it now? Have your opinions changed?

    I for one still think it was unfairly written off by the masses after a not-so-great pilot.
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  2. muppetlover123

    muppetlover123 Well-Known Member

    I would have to watch the season again cause it has been at least 5-6 months since I've seen any episode from the series but I would still have to agree with you.
  3. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    It was a mixed bag. I think if it had a second season (even an abridged 12 episode order) there would have been a vast improvement.

    I've read several places that after the positive response to the pitch video the show was rushed into production. I think the ambitious nature of the show combined with the short schedule resulted in a shaky start. Plus they wanted to present the Muppets with a different tone. Which leads to...

    Most of the Muppets seemed not to like their jobs. From what I know about the Muppets if they were working on a piece of entertainment with their friends they would overall be happy. Kermit was depressed and insecure in the Peter Ustinov episode. Kermit, Fozzie and Piggy were insecure in the Steve Martin episode. Kermit once fired Miss Piggy. Piggy once locked Kermit in a trunk full of mold because she was jealous of Linda Ronstadt. I know they wanted the new show to be a more serialized, so story lines would run week to week, so maybe Kermit doesn't get over his depression at the end of 30 minutes, but some of the early episodes of the new show I marvel that some of the characters were able to get out of bed.

    In contrast the characters who seemed to like their job had more success. Uncle Deadly, Yolanda, Carl and Bobo were funny, well written and interesting. And speaking of jobs there were many Muppets who had little or no involvement in Up Late... They said Bunsen and Beaker were the props department. Did we ever see them making props? Were there ever any props used in the show? The reason why the character of Creed from The Office was funny was because there was only one Creed. The Muppets had a good 7-10 of them.

    As the season progressed I think the creators became aware of the problems and started to address them. Flashes of fun emerged: Gonzo's cannon stunt, the gang jumping in so Mindy Kaling would not be embarrassed with her singing, Piggy advising Kermit on a gift for Denise was great character work for both of them, more music was appearing and in the finale a solid dose of Muppet chaos with some fan favorite characters making cameos.

    I think if they were renewed the summer hiatus and the time to develop scripts and to adjust the tone would have resulted in much stronger episodes. Season 2 of the classic Muppet Show is a vast improvement from season 1 because Henson, Juhl et. al figured out what worked and what was extraneous.

    I know TV today is all about the ratings. If you're not getting them you'll be cancelled. Some shows only have one episode air before they get the axe, so I am happy we got the amount of shows we did. But I would bet cash money that if this version of the Muppet show premiered back in the 70's or even the 80's they would have had a second season.
  4. Old Thunder

    Old Thunder Well-Known Member

    I actually watched the first two episodes for the first time a couple days ago. (I'm so late. :p ) I enjoyed it. It... feels like a the kind of show that could never live up to the original yet is still hilarious and a great watch. I'm definitely gonna watch more of it.
  5. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Well, i've given my opinion of the show and each episode already, and my opinions on them haven't changed much after rewatching a few months ago.
    But I will say that, while I didn't hate the first few episodes, there was certainly a lot lacking. Mostly, as Jobi said, there was a lack of joy. In all the other productions, the characters loved what they did, they weren't always very good at it, but they enjoyed it. They were doing what they loved and they knew they were making other people happy while they were doing it. The Muppet Movie highlights this perfectly.
    I think that it, like any other show, just needed to find it's footing, which I think it started to during the second half of the season. It's a real shame that modern audiences, and especially networks are so fickle and impatient these days. There are plenty of shows that were almost cancelled after their first season due to low ratings or a lukewarm reception, but ended up churning out a huge profit in the long run like Seinfeld, Family Matters, The Simpsons, and Full House just to name a few. I really liked the last few episodes and have no doubt that the second season would've been something amazing if they had just given it another chance, and a better time slot.

    On the bright side, at least it gave us Gloria Estefan and more developed versions of Chip, Yolanda and Uncle Deadly. I really hope they plan on using them in future productions, along with Walter.
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  6. gavry3

    gavry3 Well-Known Member

    *ehm* giant moon, mindy kaling *ehm*

    But you're right, they should have had a chance to be on the show. It would have definitely progressed more during the second season, and I think some of the gifs that Kermit and The Muppets post on Twitter and such are from unaired episodes that were prerecorded.
  7. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Well, I highly doubt they filmed any additional episodes, after all, you can't make more episodes than the network gives you a budget for. Those gifs are more than likely just deleted scenes, if they were intended for the show at all.
  8. GuySmileyfan

    GuySmileyfan Well-Known Member

    Last year's announcement of the cancellation of The Muppets is a very tragic moment for me. I blame it on one million moms. They ruined it. First, Muppets Most Wanted failed and now The Muppets tv show failed. And the people are very stupid not supporting the Muppets. I don't think people care about the Muppets anymore, which is probably nonsensical. Yes, they have an upcoming event at the Hollywood Bowl later this year and they appear on youtube from time and time, but I don't know if Disney will give the Muppets a chance to shine like giving them another movie or tv show. I would love to see Kermit revisit Happy Feet, but that's just me. When I've heard that the Muppets is not renewed for second season, I've got so mad, I've even said that Disney should give the Muppets back to the Jim Henson Company for all I care. I would love to obsess that Disney should give Muppets another tv series, but it's probably not worth it. Man, life is not fair.:cry:
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  9. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    I actually just watched through the series again (bought them digitally on Amazon since I'm not expecting a Blu-ray anytime soon) and this show was brilliant. I can't believe that it wasn't more popular (I'm guessing a lot of it had to do with bad press from those ****ing cows running "One Million Moms").

    I get why it was canceled though. I'm sure it wasn't cheap to make.

    And I feel like I'm in the minority here, but I liked the show more before they did the "retooling", didn't need that at all. Every episode was great though.
  10. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    I agree with just about everything everyone has said. the muppets. got off to a rough start with the large amount of plot threads, risqué jokes, excessive reliance of Miss Piggy being a bee-yotch, etc. But a couple of episodes in, it began to get into the groove with a good blend of Muppet-style humor and original elements to avoid it being too much of a retread of TMS. I also loved how we got to see obscure and ill-defined characters such as Yolanda and Chip get more fleshed out.

    If only ABC gave it at least a pity 2nd season so we could really see it reach its potential, like with TMS and Muppets Tonight before it. That and the so-called mainstream "fans" who refuse to support something like this even when they clamor for something different in entertainment.
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  11. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I can't agree more, episodes 1-10 were gold, I just can or ever will understand the hate. Outside of the finale, I did not enjoy any post-retool episodes.
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  12. Daffyfan4ever

    Daffyfan4ever Well-Known Member

    Well, the trouble is that a lot of people complained that it wasn't family-friendly enough for a Muppet show and I don't totally disagree with that. (Recall my beef with the song they sang in the "Tale of Two Piggies" episode.) I personally think ABC did better with "Muppets Tonight!" I know a lot of people weren't too fond of that one, but that's okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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  13. newsmanfan

    newsmanfan Well-Known Member

    We finally viewed the whole series over the past couple of months. I saw from the individual threads here that the show deeply polarized the MC community, and I don't want to retread arguments.


    Though I didn't care for the writers' take on the characters for the first few eps, I could see where they pulled their material from. In TMS, Kermit DID waffle over what/who he really wanted romantically, and was sometimes a total jerk; Piggy was sometimes insecure and shallow-acting; even the Newsman acted too full of himself --

    :news: Hey!

    Well, you DID. Sometimes. Which is why stuff fell on you.

    So, while I didn't agree with the characterizations in several episodes, I could at least grudgingly acknowledge there was some basis for them in classic Muppet fare. Fozzie seemed completely out of character for most of the series to me, but I'll freely admit I've never been able to write Foz well either. I prefer to view Newsie as insecure and blustery to try and hide that weakness, but dedicated to his craft, to truth, attempting to bring sobriety to an utterly insane troupe despite his tendency to, as Lady Ru has put it, attract disaster like a trailer park. The new show's writers clearly saw him as more of a puffed-ego, sensationalist hack, which had been Fleet's job instead on TMS. But hey, I could see the raw ingredients in the source, so I was willing to go with it and see what happened.

    The last few eps, from, say, 12 on...were marvelous. Kermit realizing he did miss Piggy, and actively supporting her. The departure of the overly airheaded Denise. Camilla back with Gonzo. Actual character development over cheap shots! YES! I was very disappointed it was canceled, as the writers seemed to have finally found their footing, and realized most people DO want to see Kermit and Piggy grow towards each other.

    Failed experiment? Unfortunately.
    Will that stop us fans from loving the characters we grew up with?
    It shouldn't. And for me it won't.
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  14. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    In my opinion Episodes 1-5 were ok but could have been a lot better. 6-10 were fantastic the writers were getting it right but 11-13 were back to episode 1-10 standard to frog and pig heavy for me. 14-16 were getting back to the shows best and i feel that these last three were part of the original 13 episodes.

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