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The Muppets 2015: What went wrong?

Discussion in 'Classic Muppets' started by BlakeConor14, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    The muppets 2015 was the most anticipated show that year and possibly one of the most anticipated of all time but many people stopped watching after episode 2 and was cancelled after one season.
    I personally had no problems with the show and wanted a second season but I'm looking at why it never got that second season and what exactly went wrong

    1. It wasn't the muppet show- Many people probably saw there was a new muppets TV show and instantly thought it was a like for like copy of the 1976 series and when they found out it wasn't they switched it off
    2. Too adult. Grow the f*ck up.
    3. Kermit vs piggy: I was thinking of this the other day that it was more kermit vs piggy than the muppets. When episodes like going going Gonzo or too hot to handler aired they were the best of the series as they focused on different characters.
    4. Sh*t guest stars: I only enjoyed 3 of the guest stars (Jason Bateman, Key and Peele and Willy Nelson)

    This was my opinion on why the muppets failed. What is your opinion
  2. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    I think two key factors in it not being a success were: the rushed schedule. The promo pitch was so good that they rushed the product before they had solid footing as to what they wanted to do. The second was the lack of joy in the earlier episodes. The Muppets always faced adversity and borderline incompetence in their productions, but their positivity pushed them through. In the first half of the season most of them seemed to be at a job they would rather not have. I think the guest stars were all game and excited to be working with the Muppets, but you are right some worked better than others. I would add Mindy Kaling to your list of outstanding guest stars because her plot was so perfectly Muppety. She wants to sing. She cannot sing. They don't want to tell her this, so rather than have her embarrass herself on TV the Muppets all join in, so she is one voice in a choir. I wished it got a second season as well - even a limited 6 episode one - because they seemed to have figured out what they wanted to do by the end.
  3. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    Yes I forgot Mindy Kailing she was actually quite funny. And yes the show lacked in the earlier episodes alot of warmth so that's when in the 15 episode with piggy at the hospital the willy nelson song was one of the highlights along with Gonzos cannon stunt and any scene with uncle deadly
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  4. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    I think it goes without saying that Uncle Deadly was the breakout star of the show. If The Love Boat was still a program he would be setting sail this week with the likes of Cloris Leachman, Rainn Wilson, one of the Kardashians and Megan Mullaly.
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  5. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I only watched a few episodes and...eh...i just couldn't get into it. My issue was that they were trying to make it like every other modern sitcom out there, and i don't really like modern sitcoms. It felt like they didnt really know who the target audience was. Either muppet fans or modern sitcom fans, but not really both.
  6. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    We're still griping about this? Haven't we moved beyond this yet?

    This was the main problem with the show: for one thing, unless there's some kind of legality that prevents them from doing so, we can't seem to get Disney to bring in actual Muppet writers to write for the Muppets. It's as if they're afraid to let the Muppets do their own thing, and think they need more mainstream appeal, so instead, they bring in mainstream writers from other mainstream shows, so what we ended up getting was essentially THE BIG MODERN MUPPET OFFICE BANG FAMILY THEORY.

    And yes, there's always been adult humor in the Muppets, but it was always sly and sophisticated: it went over the kids heads, but adults got it, so that was something for them without being inappropriate for kids to enjoy . . . there's a difference between subtly and being blatant and in-your-face.
  7. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    Contradictory much?

    Anywho, hot take here: I don't see how anyone could like, say, MTM and dislike this series. They are extremely similar in tone and their reality-based approach to the Muppets as characters and how they, as a frog, bear, pig, etc. function in the real world.

    I think the main problem with the series stemmed from the fact that it was rushed, and I don't know who would be to blame for that. Their pilot pitch was done in an extremely short amount of time, and I'm pretty sure it was a re-purposed script from their earlier attempt to do a mockumentary series (Gonzo's "six movies" line suggests they didn't change much). And they intended it for the 2016-2017 TV season, but instead, ABC wanted it for that fall, leaving them little development time.

    The series wasn't perfect, no one will argue it was. Honestly, I thought it was funnier before they had the mid-season retooling (when Kermit said their in-universe show needed more joy, literally, I rolled me eyes). But it was probably their best TV outing since TMS.

    Also, I hate the argument people made along the lines of "Why should I care about the relationship problems of a fictional frog and pig?" Virtually all TV shows are fictional. Why should I care about Don Draper? Or the Gilmore Girls? Or any other character from any other popular show?
  8. Froggy Fool

    Froggy Fool Well-Known Member

    Basically, it was just trying too hard to be like every other popular sitcom on TV. And the thing is, that's not who the Muppets are. They try to do something different and creative. Not same ol', same ol'.
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  9. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    I wanna check out the 2015 series but keep forgetting. :smirk:

    I know they're on the abc website. I will check 'em out soon though because I definitely missed out.

    The only reason I haven't gotten around them recently is due to real life stress I've been dealing with. But once things clear up, I'll definitely get around to them.
  10. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Honestly if people got beef with Piggy x Kermit then good for them.

    Personally I didn't really have much to say on their breaking up because their relationship was never even meant to be officially canon. Disney just kind of.... milked it a bit.

    I will say though, end of the day, if you're sad to see a fictional couple break up, that's how you know it was good.
  11. Sgt Floyd

    Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I remember my dad talking about how he was upset that piggy and kermit broke up and im just...they were together in the first place?
  12. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    I think that morphing of styles stems from the rapid turn around, but you also bring up another point - the lack of someone Muppet based in a show runner or consultant role. I know there were many folks (Goelz, Linz, Barretta, Whitmire etc) as performers, but they rarely have the leverage to suggest changes. Maybe a line reading here or there, but usually nothing substantive. Let's be positive though, aside from their live shows their youtube videos have been some of their best recent content, so if their new project comes to pass I am cautiously optimistic.
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  13. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Something I made out of pure humor.

  14. rexcrk

    rexcrk Well-Known Member

    I personally thought it was perfect the way it was from the start. After the “retool”, I didn’t think it was as good (but still really good).

    What’s there not to like? It was like taking The Office and the Muppets and putting them together.. a winning combination!
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  15. MuppetPainter

    MuppetPainter Active Member

    I think it is mainly a Disney problem, they don't seem to have a clue as to what they are doing. I wish Brian Henson would buy it back from them and make everything the way his father had it. Even Sesame Street is a joke. No more children of all races learning and getting along, hardly any puppets and when they are on it looks like all Green Screen. Not at all good in my eyes.
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  16. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well let's put it simply....

    There where the characters Jim Frank Richard Jerry Dave and Steve created. Then there are these other characters with there names, but that's about where the similarly end.
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  17. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    It wasn't that it was too adult, it was too out of character; right from the first episode Scooter's sassiness struck me as odd.
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  18. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    That's where I disagree. The Henson Company is a small media business and in no way would the Henson Company afforded two movies and a TV show. In fact I'd the henson company still had the muppets we'd be looking forward to a crappy tv special this year

    I'm not sure. Because for starters that's the most scooter we had since 1990 but he did seem a bit sassy
    But hearing about Ken made me laugh
  19. LittleJerry92

    LittleJerry92 Well-Known Member

    Honestly I completely agree with this.

    Is it sad I feel like Warner would do a better job with the Muppets? Maybe even fox?
  20. BlakeConor14

    BlakeConor14 Well-Known Member

    Isn't Fox practically Disney now??

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