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The Muppets head for Oz

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Mar 16, 2004.


What do you think of the Muppet Wizard of Oz script?

Poll closed Jun 14, 2004.
  1. I like that it will be based on the book

    49 vote(s)
  2. I wish it was based on the movie

    11 vote(s)
  3. I wish they would do something original

    54 vote(s)

  1. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Hopefully never...but then again, now that disney has the muppets it doesnt really make any difference if this crud sees the light of day or not. Man I long for 1998 again, when we here at MC sensed the Muppets were poised for greatness.
  2. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    I like 2004. Hopefully I'll like the next ten years more than the last ten.

  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    if were talking 2004 as in our personal lives, ok yes. If we're talking Muppets, so far it's pretty abysmal.
  4. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    hey Beaker wheres your faith

    Beaker you seem kind of like whatever the muppet do is going to not be good.

    Look we all know that for the past almost 14 to 15 years has been a really hard time for the muppets but from what one head person wrote to one of the muppet fans on here it sounds to me like the Muppets are in fairly good hands.

    I also think and hope that they have the same writers preformers and producers as befor becaues they are getting better. So dont be so down on this new Oz movie it can have alot of potential and can really work. If you say your a true muppet fan the least you and all of us can suport the muppets in this very changing time
  5. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    If it is along the lines of the VMX on NBC a few years ago, it'll be good. That movie recaptured The Muppets at their best (IMO) and I hope to see more like that in the future. Now with new performers of Frank Oz's characters, there's more room for improvise--the way things used to be done when Jim was alive--and more of that Muppet Magic will seep through!

    Give it some time, I feel good about things now.
    As far as where Disney is concerned, I'm waiting on them. Seems their first big promotion is going to be the new Muppets Website in the fall. But, we'll see.

    Maybe, just this one time, Disney might do things RIGHT for a change!! There's always a possibility!!
  6. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Dwayne, last summer my heart was filled with jubilation...JHC had finally boucht back JHC and the Muppets, there was still hope for an "edgy, Fox channel prime time Muppet show", and we were still coming off the high of AVMMC.

    Now the whole game has changed. That is terrific that Avenue Q won best musical, heck thats one of the biggest feats in modern puppetry. But when Disney bought the Muppets, further decisively splitting the universe and tearing it more (Fraggle Rock not considered Muppets? I dont think so) ...well...I don't see much to celebrate.

    It will take an utter miracle to turn my opinion around. Freaking Disney I tell you. As for Oz, I could care less about this...sorry, classic retelling never excited me Muppet wise. This is so not the direction they need to be going into right now.
  7. jediX

    jediX Well-Known Member

    I'd like to add a brief commentary as to why I personally think this will be a failure, and not just because of the phase shift.

    The year is 1992. The day is December 11. 'The Muppet Christmas Carol' is released in the US to millions of fans eagerly waiting for the next Muppet motion picture. This film would soon gross $27,281,507 in the theaters.

    The year is 1996. The day is March 15. 'Muppet Treasure Island' is released in the US to millions of fans eagerly waiting for the next Muppet motion picture. This film would soon gross $33,609,000 in the theaters.

    The year is 1979. The day is June 22. 'The Muppet Movie' is released in the US to millions of fans eagerly waiting for the first Muppet motion picture. This film would soon gross $76,657,507 in the theaters, and would eventually gross $32,000,000 in video rental sales alone.

    And that was in 1979 VS 1996 -- WITHOUT inflation factored in. The VIDEO RENTAL sales of TMM ALONE outsold that of MCC, nearly going over MTI -- WITHOUT inflation factored in. Get my point?

    It's not that the 'classic tale' retelling movies are bad -- they aren't. Compared to most other children's movies, they're titans. But compared to the classic original Muppet films, they're ants.

    All stats from imdb.com.

    :edit: And don't even get me started on 'Muppet Classic Theatre'...
  8. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    What about Muppet Classic Theater? :)

    Actually, what are the stats concerning TMM vs. GMC or TMTM?

    And don't put 100% stock in imdb.com; there're too many discrepancies on that site, however still a good resource.
  9. jediX

    jediX Well-Known Member

    I counldn't find any stats regarding GMC... it was late when I was writing that and I didn't feel like going anywhere else ^_~ But it did have MTM's stats, which made considerably less than TMM. With inflation factored in along with video sales, I'm assuming it made equal to or more than MCC/MTI. I'll see what I can find.
  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Pretty much, even tho the world's largest family entertainment company bought our beloved Muppets, the actual Muppet fans...as far as active, collecting, buffs remain as underground as ever. Sure everyone may know who Kermit and Big Bird is, but the *actual* participating active fans are few and far between...makes it more special to me, but Disney is going to need a lot of muscle to pimp our furry pals out to a public who has (sadly) long moved on.
  11. jediX

    jediX Well-Known Member

    GMC made $31,206,000, and with inflation that puts it quite a bit over the 90's movies. MTM made $25,534,703, still putting it at or over the 90's movies. MFS made a depressing 16,304,786 (but hey, at least it beat out 'Gigli' and 'From Justin To Kelly' ;)). I guess you can credit TMM for making more money because TMS was going strong at the time...who knows. Then again, I think its the best Muppet film, so maybe that's why. Who knows.

    I got those stats from the-numbers.com, btw.
  12. Muppet Crypts

    Muppet Crypts Well-Known Member

    NO LOVE FOR GILGI :sympathy:
  13. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I was curious about the numbers.

    And, yes: No love for Gigli.
  14. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Muppets to OZ

    Part of this I have already posted in another spot, I guess I am confused on how this stuff all works, but I think this is a new thread. I Know a great deal about OZ, and for all of you who wish the Muppets would do something original, they are!!

    Yes that is right; L. Frank Baum's Story the Wonderful Wizard of OZ has never in its interiority been portrayed in any TV or Movie venue before. The story that we all know and love is the 1939 film Classic, but it is fair from Baum’s OZ. For any of you who want to know more about it, or ask specific questions you may email me directly.

    The rest of this may shed some more light on things.
    Thank you
    The Good Doctor T.

    I wanted to register with you all so that I can respond specifically to this forum about the Muppets Wizard of Oz. I have been collecting and studying Oz for much of my life and had really hoped that something like this would happen. Who better to bring Oz to life than the Henson people, and of course the Muppets? My hope was that they would use a completely new cast of puppets to play the fantasy characters. being that Disney Co. needs to reintroduce the Muppets to the world, in what hopes to be more family friendly fun and less toilet humor and sexuality. So using the already known Muppet Family of characters is a smart move. With luck we will all fall in love with them all over again.

    There seems to be a lot of talk about Piggy playing both good and bad witches. This is actually a very clever plot device, that L. Frank Baum (Author of The Wonderful Wizard of OZ) might have used himself. We know that piggy can be both kind and loving, as well as sneaky and wicked, while showing real emotion, but she has always been a Very strong character. All of those elements will come into play in both roles, good and bad.

    If you doubt it just read the book, (Which the film will be based on not the MGM film) the book is lots better. The wizard will be human, or a very human like puppet, after all he is just a man from Omaha. I had thought that Kermit would make a better wizard after all he is just a simple green frog. I also like the idea of using Fran OZ, the story will play better if they use a human in this role. Also Dorothy will be played by a real girl, and my vote is for a completely unknown actress of about 10.

    My hope is that the Henson/Disney folks will do the book justice and follow it as closely as possible. The MGM film while being truly great leaves much of the story and original plot out. It is not a story about shoes, but about believing in yourself, and knowing your own heart. Through its humor and polite charm, it reminds us that we already have the heart, brains and courage in side of ourselves all we have to do is believe in our selves, keep home in our heart and miracles can happen.
    I can't wait! The Muppets will make this a HIT!
  15. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Moved ON

    It is true; most are not as connected to the Muppets any more. With children’s programming like the Tela Tubbies and Barney out there, it is getting harder and harder for the Muppet world to survive. Sesame Street went from producing 100 shows a seas to less than 50 shows, not to mention the fact that With out Jim Henson’s guiding hand the Muppets have been taking the fall.

    For example Muppets Tonight, which I guess had a good run on HBO was nothing but cheap laughs, and for the very first time sexual Humor in a very adult forum. It introduced us to new characters that were not only disconnected but acted less like a family. I sent Henson CO a letter after watching one show, they told me that Muppets was a show for the 90's. Well considering the 90's were about moving away from good old fashion family values I would say they got it 100% right.

    Muppets from Space and there recent Christmas Special were 2 other huge flops. No longer using humorous irreverence and sincerity to convey real information, the Muppets have been coming up short for a long time. Not to mention that that the voice talents have changed for the worse. We lost Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem band, Swedish Chef, and many others like Robin and Janice, the voices just aren’t cutting it.

    So at long last Disney has got hold of them, and I am thankful for it. This was a deal that fell through back in 1990, and Jim himself says it as a good merger. So now it is Disney who will reintroduce the world to The Muppets, and show us all how to laugh and love again.
  16. BoyRaisin2

    BoyRaisin2 Well-Known Member

    Just to correct a few things: Muppets Tonight aired 22 episodes between ABC and Disney Channel, not HBO. MFS was a bomb, but the NBC movie was rather successful with 11 million viewers. As for Disney, we'll see how that works out.
  17. Beauregard

    Beauregard Well-Known Member

    11 million veiwers?

    At lest some still likes the Muppets, right?
  18. Kye

    Kye Well-Known Member

    Yes, but only 11 million!! That means we have more supporters then President Bush! (sorry...political jab) :p
  19. McFraggle

    McFraggle Well-Known Member

    11 million is pretty good for a TV movie.
  20. The Good Doctor

    The Good Doctor Well-Known Member

    Muppets Tonight

    Sorry about my remarks, I had thought that Muppets Tonight was on HBO, but I guess I was wrong, it is not the first time. I have been wrong lots of times. I think that Muppets from space could have been better, perhaps with some original songs...I do not know........I just do not know. :confused: :p

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