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The wait for Spring 2009 starts here

Discussion in 'Muppet Replicas' started by Kevin Knight, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    :o Kevin
    No more grasshoppers and beers for Kermit. :) But seriously, you aren't alone in your feelings and it appears you are trying to take a healthy perspective. Sometimes you have to grieve and that gets messy. It's supposed to and it's what makes us human. There are many other things I could say, but I have always found them to be cold comfort when said to me under similar cicumstances. Just make sure to take care of yourself in this time.

    I'm not so sure Robin would be cheaper than Kermit. QCing a character that tiny could actually be more challenging. I'd expect a Kermit price for him.
  2. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    Really? Hmm. I suppose. I know an actual puppet of Robin would be easier to put together than one of Kermit, but I guess that's quite different from the way a photo character has to be made.
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm just thinking that size of the character isn't an issue when it comes to accurate design reproduction. I'd think he and Kermit would be about the same level of difficulty. Maybe Robin would be a little less due to his simpler pupils and lack of collar, but then you have the tiny head size that would almost certainly be more challenging as a puppet (because Jerry's hand would have to fit), but maybe not the poser.

    On another note, I have been told that Kermit's inner headspace is quite roomy for the average size hand. There's so much that goes into a Muppet performance that we don't really think about! :)
  4. Super Scooter

    Super Scooter Well-Known Member

    Right. I understand the issue of room inside the head. I was just thinking about how Robin is alot closer to a basic sock puppet than Kermit is. It just seems to me that once you have the pattern down right (which, as you say, because he has a smaller head, would have to be perfect) he seems like an easier puppet to build. Or, at least, a bit less time consuming. His hands are a lot simpler than Kermit's would be, anyway. He doesn't have those thin, long fingers.

    Maybe I'm wrong in that, though. I do see where he could present a problem. Still, he's a lot less complicated than Rizzo and Pepe! :shifty: :rolleyes:

    On Kermit's head, when Jim was playing him (and I'm sure you've heard this, too) there wasn't anything in there but Jim's hand. He had huge hands! :eek: Steve has large hands, too, but I don't think they're as big as Jim's looked. You can kind of see that Kermit has a bit more "loose skin" nowadays than he used to.
  5. muppetperson

    muppetperson Well-Known Member

    Although Robin might be simple to make as a puppet, dont forget that these are full body photo puppets, that have to have armatures built inside them to make them posible.Although the characters are smaller, there is still the same amount of labor time that goes into them, so the difference is that they use slightly less materials, which only makes them slightly cheaper.People tend to think that the smaller characters are well under half the size, so they will be less than half the price, but that isnt the case.
  6. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    I don't think they would do Robin anyway, just not a major character .... and as people have said, being smaller doesn't make them less complex. Look at Pepe, he'd need extra arms so extra armatures, and with him if you even get the eye or mouth positioning slightly off you've lost the entire character likeness. Even Palisades couldn't get him right - i actually think though he's a great character and i'd love him, he would be extremely complicated.

    Thinking about it, the wait for 2009 doesn't sound a bad idea if we were talking in terms of keeping the line going. I'm not sure Master Replicas would pay for a renewal seeing as these are being cut in price, and also obviously a nightmare to develop for fairly little profit but if we do have 2009/2010 - and wheras at the moment we'd probably be lucky just to get Fozzie, there may well be a bit more momentum behind the whole Muppet brand by 2009/2010 and these might get a bit more attention by collectors. Whether that means a Piggy (which i agree oughta be made since she is the only really main character missing after Fozzie) or they decide to do something less complex so it can get past the Factory stage easier ... maybe a Beaker or Rowlf would probably be down to whats best for them business wise but at this point any Muppets are better than no Muppets.
  7. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    To all you Muppets,

    thank you guys for your kind words. What has helped me through this is unfortunately my ex-fiance not keeping her words to come over to grieve together. So it is going swimmingly. I know when I go, the frog is going with me. He's eternal, but mine is going with me.

    I love the thread so far about Robin and the smallers. It's a shame as MR will eventually find a factory. It will happen. But I don't know if it's un-nerving or not, but I would take the time that they have with Terry as an ioutside vendor/freelance creator to create say two more muppet prototypes. It would give him the time necessary to build the three of each, get ahead of the game in time for a jump on marketing for next year. There's no way in **** that they could make a shipping dealine for any muppet to be made by Terry and produced for the end of the year. But a head start for 2009, with preorders on the bear. The day he's healeased opne the pre-order for the next, and so on. Is the company currently in financial straights? I do realize that theese opinions and ideas are based on none of us knowing how much Terry is paid per character or per photo proto. And no that wasn't me asking. Out of respect to Mr. Angus. But once again this time we're waiting may help other Muppet fans to catch up like myself and buy Animal and Gonzo.

    Your thoughts....?

    Terry if it was your choice, based on the idea that Piggy IS next what ONE Muppet would you like to get your hands busy with afterwards?

  8. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    I do agree on that. MR should give Terry some time to start work on the next poser so he doesn't have to rush it like he did the others. Also, it would give MR a chance to work on Fozzie, then have the next poser ready after him.
  9. muppet baby

    muppet baby Well-Known Member

    i would love to have a pepe i love him so much, and i would like the eltrice mayhame also wow they are great , but rizzo oh my him to i have to have him and pepe are just go great epecally together wow what a sense of humor .:);)
  10. Blinky_Fish

    Blinky_Fish Well-Known Member

    My Head hurts... Why in this great green earth would you even attempt to make Robin? I mean there is no way that he financially could grant MR as much money as the patterns alone would cost to produce for production.

    He should be a mail-in offer if they do.

    My vote besides Rizzo and Pepe is Floyd Pepper - Nuff Said. Jerry needs to be represented ASAP
  11. Rugby

    Rugby Well-Known Member

    I would vote for Rizzo, but only on the condition that he is also a working puppet. A simple mouth moving mechanism should be easy enough to include. ;)

    I lost the last grandmother I had earlier this year. She was actually my wife's grandmother, but she was my grandma too as far as I was concerned. So I feel your pain, Kevin. Losing grandmas is tough business. :(
  12. ButchCat

    ButchCat Well-Known Member

    Hi Kevin and everyone,

    Yeah, I know I was suppose to do this way before this and I apologize for taking so long to answer this question of Kevin’s but before I do that I want to take a moment to offer my condolences to Kevin for his loss and I am honored that I was apart of what made you feel that you are not alone and Kevin you are not.

    Now Kevin in answer to your question. There are lots of Muppets I’d love to builds as posers. The ones I would do right after Miss Piggy are Scooter (Big surprise), Floyd (Yes Jerry needs a character here), Rowlf, Robin, Janice, Dr Teeth and finally Beaker. Ok Sam Eagle too. Did I forget Zoot? I am very big on Scooter or Floyd being made next but I don’t have the say on it although I have told Travis what I thought.

    There was some talk from you guys about Robin being a good choice for being next. If Master Replicas is looking for a poser that would be easier on their budget then I would have to agree that Robin is very easy and quick to make. If I had the patterns I could make him in less than a week. That counts the Fleece dyeing and hand sewing. The thing about using their patterns is that it would keep Robin the correct size etc.

    Was Once Ernie is correct in that Rizzo and Pepe would be just as hard to make as Fozzie was. What people have to remember is that size doesn’t mean a thing. Like Ernie says yes it does mean less usage of fabrics but still complicated.

    To answer another question Master Replicas only has the license to make the posers. If they wanted to do something else they would have to acquire another license from Disney to make say an action figure. Well gang that’s all I can think of at this point I have to go now and look for work. For those of you who have not seen my new web site yet check it out at http://www.anguspuppets.com

    Take care everyone and have fun,

    Terry Angus
  13. MuppetCaper

    MuppetCaper Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that little bit of info. I hope you don't have to wait too long to start the next poser in the near future. ;)
  14. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    Question time to spark some conversation....

    1) How many of us are grateful for the (patient) wait for Da Bear as a way of catching up on all previous three releases, or at least Animal and Gonzo?

    2) Of those that have been around since the pre-sale of Kermit.... myself excluded :( Are you surprised how relatively quick Animal and Gonzo have sold out?

  15. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    You can get those easily here, discounted at over half price. I thought they were still fairly easily available in the states too.

    I got the impression that maybe the edition sizes for these have been a little too large, if they are able to make a Fozzie for us then if the rumored 1000 edition size is correct then its probably about right for the future and make sure none of these sit around or have to be discounted.
  16. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

  17. Was Once Ernie

    Was Once Ernie Well-Known Member

    Animal and Gonzo haven't sold out. Even Master Replicas is discounting them currently by 10% to non-collector's society members. The website says they're "going fast", but that's just a sales tool. Kermit took something like a year-and-a-half to two years to sell out. I can't imagine the more expensive Animal and Gonzo selling faster than the most famous Muppet of all time.

  18. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    Yeah I'm sorry i got bad info. I was looking at a site that merely had the MR logo next to the item, and they were sold out of Animal. Sorry. I wonder how the sales on them have been. Was just thinking about Da Bear sitting in the other lazy-boy chair watching TV with me. How friggin' cool he's gonna be! (Can ya tell I'm bored. Must have been the Dark Knight movie I saw earlier!) Once again sorry for the mess up on my part. Had any of you considered making replica props for sale to go with these posers? Animals Chains, clothes actually made for them and not just baby clothes, Gonzo's horn, Plans for people to make FROG, BEAR, WHATEVER shipping boxes? It might be a nice little side thing for people. Heck, Terry if you stil having a hard time looking for a gig, (as I am) It might be an idea as the accessories, clothing I don't think would be at risk of any type of trademark violation. Reptile (frog) dress shirt and tie? Your thoughts? I'd pay 20% over cost for tailored stuff. Just trying again to make conversation. Spring is a long ways away guys! LOL
  19. LeanneRivett

    LeanneRivett Well-Known Member

    Thank you for answering our questions Terry.

    We will all now have to play the waiting game.

  20. Kevin Knight

    Kevin Knight Well-Known Member

    Theme from jeopardy plays in all our heads.:o

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