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What would it take for you to stop watching current episodes?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by ssetta, Nov 20, 2011.

  1. ssetta

    ssetta Active Member

    This is a thread I have thought about making for awhile, but I think that this would be a good time. We are about halfway through Season 42, and it looks like so far, there has not been 1 clip even from the 90s. Up to this point, the oldest clip shown was the "0 Dancer" film from Season 34. It does seem like over the last decade or so, they have used less and less classic clips. By Season 40, I already thought they were showing way too few classic clips, but there were a couple of 90s sketches used in Season 40, and even that made me happy. Then in Season 41, they had slightly more sketches from the 90s, and then there was that huge surprise with "I Gotta Be Clean", which had actually not been shown since Season 29! But this season, there haven't been ANY.

    So I'm making this thread because I know that a lot of classic Sesame Street fans don't even watch the current episodes. But I still do, because even if they don't use a lot of classic material, they would still use at least some. It just seems like they keep using less and less, up to the point where they will never show anything from before Season 34 or 35 again. And so if they do end up going this route, I'm actually wondering if I will stop watching the show if I know there's not going to be any surprises or flashbacks. I even spoke with producer Tim Carter about this, and he says that it IS intentional, because they were getting complaints about the show looking too outdated with the music styles, and the clothing that people were wearing. And keep in mind that Sesame Street is pretty much the only show at all that mixes old material with new, and it was competing with other programs that have all new material. So will you stop watching the show if they don't show anymore classic clips?
  2. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    The future is on the Internet, not Television. I'll be directing my kids to the Sesame Street clips on the official website where quality entertainment won't be censored for the terrible crime of being "dated." Or on the classic DVDs. In other words, I won't let what my children see be determined by TV ratings.

    This attitude that old = bad is the last lesson I want my kids learning, thank you.
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  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    There was some surprise 1990's clip somewhere... I just didn't care because it was some kids running around. I completely forgot which one it was too.

    Sure, there are a lot of filmed bits with kids that are completely outdated, but there are always Muppet segments and animations that are impeccably timeless. Several years ago, they showed a late 1970's Ernie and Bert skit (the one where Bert teaches checkers to Bernice).. that one came after a Journey to Ernie. If it's because of the widescreen stuff, I call bull on it. Elmo's World hasn't been new since season 40, and has always been in full frame. And they occasionally have to reuse older letters and numbers animations that are full frame as well.

    Meanwhile Germany does this with the older segments:
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    :electric:

    That's all it takes. A cheap boarder. And it looks perfectly widescreen! Even Between the Lions did that up until it was cancelled. Putting boarders around old skits to make them seem WS.

    My beef isn't with the lack of classic clips (a LOT of Elmo's Worlds are older than half the skits they show), but the fact that there isn't any room for them if they wanted to. Unfortunately, the block format's a hit, and we'll see it for a while until the writers try to revolt and revert it back. I still don't see why Abby's Fairy School, good segment that it is, has to be on every episode if they only introduce 8 or less a season (of 26 episodes), when it could better rotate with Ernie and Bert's Great adventures and/or Super Grover 2.0 (another brilliant skit that doesn't have enough episodes and SHOULD have more).

    I shall never believe Sesame Street is "dumbed Down" ever again, because if nothing else, they're trying to do too much... especially when it comes to initiatives and expanding the curriculum to more complex scientific and mathematical concepts each and every season... ones that go completely over the heads of the 3-4 demographic.
  4. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Really? People complained about the show having outdated music and styles? Would classics like Rubber Duckie, C is for Cookie, Bein' Green, and Doin' the Pigeon be considered "outdated music styles"? I know, those haven't been on the show in ages, but I'd find it hard to believe that many of the classic early songs have outdated music styles. I am surprised they haven't remade those songs so that there'd be widescreen versions to broadcast.

    And I'd like to think that many of the classic Muppet segments aren't outdated. Some, yes, especially if they have celebrity aappearances, but many seem timeless.

    I was surprised to read that last season had a lot more 1990s clips than the previous season. When last season began it looked as if the show was avoiding anything (except Elmo's World) that wasn't shot in HD, but then more pre-HD segments aired later in the season. I can see them thinking the picture quality of 1970s segments looking dated, but if they can show stuff from the early 1990s, I don't see why they can't show stuff from the late 1980s (there's not a big picture-quality difference between '80s and'90s material). They showed stuff from the 1980s up until season 39. If you count the use of Jim Henson's vocals in Aaron Nevil's "I Don't Want to Live on the Moon", then the show hasn't had anything with Jim's involvement since then (I find it very inexusable that the big anniversary season was the first to completely ignore material where Jim Henson was heard).

    It seems they stopped showing older stuff with the human cast in the 1990s, but older stuff with the Muppets wasn't off-limits then, even if they looked real different (I think they only avoided stuff like orange Oscar, season one Big Bird, green Grover, Television Monster, "imaginary" Snuffleupagus). It's a good thing the older stuff is available online and on video. It's a good thing that the really old stuff isn't off-limits for video releases. In the past few years it seems they were avoiding classic stuff on DVD, except for as bonus clips or part of stuff intended for adult collectors, but this year there's suddenly been quite a few DVD releases mixing classic stuff with more modern stuff (Silly Storytime, Elmo's Travel Games and Songs, even Elmo's World: People in Your Neighborhood).
  5. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Both can be true I think. ;)
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Both, yes... in certain aspects. Still, I have a hard as heck time trying to understand why they're so worked up about kids being able to know different kinds of birds, knowing the fundamentals of 3rd grade math, being able to be engineers, being expert in various international cultures, and being able to able to use words like "deciduous" when they have Elmo explaining that those mystical and impossible to understand appendages at the end of their legs are called feet for 15 minutes.

    Talk about a logic gap.
  7. mr3urious

    mr3urious Well-Known Member

    Don't forget about yoga! Kids have gotta learn yoga, apparently! :D
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Ah yes... the gentrification of Sesame Street. No wonder you don't see half the characters anymore. The probably had to move away because the rents went up because the yuppies moved in. Hooper's is THIS close to being a Starbucks in my mind. And the Fix it shop will be a place that sells 10 dollar cupcakes the size of a shot glass.

    I hate how they have to shove yoga in the show. That's what snotty suburbanites do with their spoiled little brat kids at Mommy and Me classes. I miss kids playing in construction sites like they were the kids from Fat Albert.
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  9. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    I guess it doesn't really matter, so hate to point this out- but shouldn't this thread be in the "Sesame Street" forum?:confused:
  10. ssetta

    ssetta Active Member

    I really wondered which forum I should post this in. I think I chose this one because I wanted to see how the Classic SS fans feel about there not being enough old material in the new episodes, and I know that some current SS fans don't WANT to see old material in new episodes. That's why people were complaining about the show.

    I also agree with what heralde said, and Tim Carter did say something very similar. He basically just said that the old segments can be found on the website, and on the official SS YouTube channel. I think that's where most people go to find classic material. This may also be why you don't really hear of new TV networks picking up old reruns in general.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't think anyone has a problem if they showed old segments in new episodes. Somehow I feel SW keeps painting itself into corners they desperately want to get out of. It's the problem of classic skits not fitting into the show, not by design, but by their time constraints. I keep forgetting to get exact timings of each episode... but a street story that's about 15 minutes long, an 8 minute Abby, a 4-5 minute Ernie and Bert/Super Grover segment, a 15 minute Elmo segment... 43 minutes out of 50 something minutes right there...NOT counting Murray tune ins. Let's say that's another 5 minutes combined... there's barely any room for anything else. :eek:

    I actually don't mind the lack of old material in new shows BECAUSE they managed to make them available on Youtube and their own site. If they were hidden in a vault away for ever, and severely penalized anyone who has an unauthorized YT upload, then and only then would I be angry at them. SW does realize it has an older, nostalgic fan base... that's something to be thankful for. Scary thing is, Barney's retro now and we're seeing adult T-Shirts with his ugly purple mug on them. I wish I never saw that. That was creepy. And it was in Spencer's next to the aisle with the... oh Never mind. if you been to Spencer's you know what I'm talking about. What was I getting at again?

    Ah yes... SW realizes it has a nostalgic fan base that wants to see all the old stuff they can't fit into the show anymore. And I'm certain a lot of the ones who are parents expose their kids to the older stuff anyway. As for the show itself, the writers are trying their darnedest to make everything work. Abby, while plagued with reruns, is sharply written and more enjoyable than it needs to be... Super Grover 2.) is impossible for me to not laugh at. We got very stinging parodies of stuff like Glee and the Spider-Man musical this year. There's plenty of adult appeal still there. The problem is the balance is quite often out of whack, and I still think EW is sinking the show's potential.
  12. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Elmo's World must be at this point one of Sesame Street's longest running recurring segments ever. (If not the longest). Well, I take that back- I guess obviously the Street stories would be a recurring segment and that's much longer running of course and always will be. (I would hope.)
  13. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    This has probably been discussed before, but I wonder again if Elmo's World was ever spun off into a show by itself how Sesame Street would fare? I suppose that would disrupt the whole structure of the show since Elmo is undeniably a HUGE part of the show. I suppose this would only increase Elmo's exposure....but it's not that I want Elmo off the show- I really like him just fine- but it would be nice to have his representation balanced a bit better with the other characters.... It's just the format of Elmo's World that gets so repetitive- I have watched a number of the segments but many times when I catch Sesame Street on Sprout, I just tune out at that point...
  14. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    Okay- good point. That makes sense.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Sesame should spring forth a secondary show of Elmo's World and Abby's Flying School... maybe with a classic short skit in between... but that's not going to happen. PBS already has too many shows for that to work, and when they tried taking EW off the show, kids supposedly got antsy.

    What's turning me off watching it is the overuse of reused footage. It's like a 2 week wait in cases (sometimes a month) for a new episode, and only the street story is new. You see the same Abby, the same Super Grover (which I don't mind much... but they should have made a LOT more of those)... I can't believe their ratings are that high if they show the same things over and over.
  16. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    "What would it take for you to stop watching current episodes?"

    Are you serious? I haven't been able to actually sit down and watch any current episodes since Season 38! I've barelyseen much of Season 39, Season 40, Season 41, and now Season 42, and all because all these lame new shows that PBS Kids has been cranking out and eating up the schedule that not SST stopped coming on at a convenient time on my PBS; I know I can DVR episodes and such, but I never think to... whatever happened to Joan Ganz Cooney's proposal to have the show air once in the morning and again in the afternoon so the little kids can tryand watch with their older siblings as well?
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I remember when it was on so many times a day... especially the 6:00pm hour on our other PBS... now, we have 3 more PBS's due to digital channels and they still don't air it more than once a day (I hear tell they have it at 6:00 Am now, but that's WAAAAY too early for me to even check)...and of course, our PBS kid's station airs a solid hour long brick of dry, dull, unwatchable craft programs at a certain hour, and then stops kid friendly programming at 5 for no reason. if it's supposed to attract older teens, maybe that's the effect it's going for... but they have Julia Child reruns at 11 PM.
  18. GonzoLeaper

    GonzoLeaper Well-Known Member

    I guess we can all be glad for Sesame Street.com's videos section now and with whatever Sesame Workshop will let fly by on Youtube...
  19. JLG

    JLG Member

    Really? Now that I find bizarre. Why have people suddenly started caring NOW? If there's one thing that used to characterize pre-2000s Sesame Street, it was what an utter mishmash of time periods it was. IMO the early 1990s were when the show was at its most schizophrenic----there were still a lot of 70s films in rotation that had a psychedelic vibe and reflected musical trends of the time, all mixed in with brand-new rap videos starring people like Queen Latifah. Heck, "Me Lost Me Cookie at the Disco" was still turning up as late as 1997! (Where else in the world would you ever find disco existing alongside hip hop?)
    And a little earlier, in the late 1980s, they were VERY loose about showing stuff that was obviously outdated, particularly the live-action films of kids that were 15---almost 20 years old by that point. I have an episode from the period that has a cast insert where they're all obviously younger and obviously 70s, and heck----they showed "Ride a Bike" as late as 1987, even though Northern Calloway was by then completely unrecognizable in it.

    Sesame Street used to be very loose about this kind of thing. So I'm confused why it's only become an issue now. My guess is that it's because there didn't used to be so many forums for instant mass communication, and thus narratives weren't as quick to develop.
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    They showed a 1970's Ernie and Bert sketch as late as 2003, and no one complained. There are a LOT of Muppet segments that are naturally timeless that could be easily inserted into any given episode and not look strange. The only thing I'd see a problem are the filmed kids segments... and I've been seeing 1970's ones turn up as late as the 90's, no complaint. But they keep showing old dated looking 90's stuff ALL the time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFY-vIeN5XA

    is literally on once a season (different numbers, though). Even some of the Elmo's worlds are well over 10 years old and look dated now, and they don't have a problem with those.

    But then again, it's also about how they can't fit things in like they used to, due to the corners they keep painting themselves into.


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