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What year did it all change for the worst?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by JimmyGillentine, Oct 28, 2006.

  1. MJTaylor

    MJTaylor Member

    I think that Sesame Street changed for the worse in 1998. Yes, you've guessed it - the reason was Elmo's World! But really, the show has been changing with the times since the day it began. I suppose Elmo's World was when we realized that it wasn't the same as it was in the seventies.
    However, I do like how they brought back the counting song that was used in the baker films. Now, if only they'd bring back the films themselves. And who else misses the Mad Painter?
  2. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets New Member

    That's true. I guess it can be argued that it does the same now. But that's the proof the expert's have and I'm not one of them, so I can't say either way. But if it does work now days, then it's simply a matter of taste and liking. ANd that's just as important. If it appeals as well as educates, then I don't see a problem with it.
  3. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Exactly. I must come out and say something very unpopular... I HATE SNUFFY NOT BEING REAL. Why? It's like those Sylvester the cat cartoons where he sees a giant mouse (really a Kangaroo) and tries to tell his son, and his son doesn't believe him. He gets frustraited trying to prove it, and it's comical. Why is it funny in that context? Sylvester is a jerk, and deserves to be treated with no dignity. We feel good when he gets frustraied. Big Bird is a sweet lovable young boy. I, for one, feel sorry for Big Bird. He doesn't deserve it.

    I saw a photo of an old skit in the Unpaved book, where some nasty looking newspaper guy holds a paper that says "enough Snuff stuff." Heartbreaking. If I were Big Bird, after a while, I'd feel deeply insulted, and leave Sesame Street forvever, not getting any contact with anyone I knew. I would have been depressed my entire life, and very standoffish, not trying ever to make friends again. I mean, there's some feel good quality in Big Bird plugging away, always trying to prove them wrong with foolish optimisim... but it's really depressing when you think about it.

    Oddly enough, I am a big fan of Charlie Brown. But he at least has a philosophic depressed feel to him that makes it not so pathetic.

    Anyway, I wanna add (if I didn't already) that "It's time to Play" is the worst thing to happen to SS, especially since the changes.
  4. travellingpat

    travellingpat Active Member

    I say it got worse (although i still enjoy it today) in the late 90s when Elmo, Zoe, and Baby Bear took over
  5. JLG

    JLG Member

    I admit it...I've always loved the "New Wave" characters like Zoe, Baby Bear and Rosita. In fact, I kind of wish they had been around earlier, since they fill a niche in SS's world that had been kind of empty before, methinks. (I'm not counting Elmo as a new-waver because he's been around for more than 20 years now. In fact, even Zoe and Baby Bear are getting up there in years, now.

    What I think people really object to is not the characters themselves, but the material they're given these days. For most of the 90s the show's tone was pretty much the same as it had been, so having some "younger" characters around didn't make it seem toned down. Now the whole thing has been reimagined for a younger audience than before, so the writing holds less appeal for grown-ups in the room.
  6. JLG

    JLG Member

    Drtooth: Re: Sylvester----Maybe the Sylvester of Friz Freleng-directed films (the Tweety Bird series) is somewhat of a jerk, but I don't find him all that unlikeable in Chuck Jones's or Robert McKimson's films (which include the "giant mouse" episodes you're talking about.) Boastful and stubborn, sure, but appealing in his way. Thou disagreeth?

    BTW, I've seen that "enough Snuff stuff" episode you saw a photo of. Big Bird actually gets into somewhat of an angry shouting match with Bob and Susan over whether Snuffy's real in that scene, while that newspaper guy keeps coming up with all these silly headlines about the arguing. Looking at what you said, it IS kind of depressing to watch in a way, since everyone is so coldly dismissive of the Bird.
  7. Kimp the Shrimp

    Kimp the Shrimp Active Member

    elmo is bad but it went down hill in 1986 when i stopped watching lol
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    That's true. I just picked him out because he was the best example of what I was thinking of. Dastardly and Muttley and Wile E. Coyote came to mind, but didn't work.

    Yankee Doodle Pidgeon is so blaggin' annoying that I WANT to see those two capture him. ANd Wile E. well, I feel sorry for the guy.
  9. LadyVader

    LadyVader New Member

    Elmo should get his own show and put SS back to where it was before he took it over.
  10. mikebennidict

    mikebennidict New Member

    That's never going to happen.
  11. BEAR

    BEAR Active Member


    Thank you. That is an excellent point that I hope others will consider. I think that Rosita, Baby Bear and Zoe are all great characters! If they weren't, they would not have lasted so long.
  12. LadyVader

    LadyVader New Member


    yes it could it would be like a spin off and i think it would be very popular
  13. MJTaylor

    MJTaylor Member

    Well actually it has happened outside the US. Where I live, ABC nows show Elmo's World as a seprate programme. I understand the same thing happens in the UK. I have to say, I find Elmo's World now enjoyable as a show in its own right.
  14. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member


    "Elmo's World" already has become a spinoff in at least two countries; why won't Sesame Workshop give it the same treatment in the US? My guess is that they're afraid of losing money, viewers, or both.
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I didn't know it was being show separately in other countries. That's interesting. Guess it's not impossible. Though that doesn't mean it will be done in the U.S., we tend to do our own thing on TV.

    They might be afraid people would stop watching Sesame Street if they separated Elmo's World. And that could happen, and that does make me sad (and not just for myself). Barney was popular too, that doesn't mean I'd have my kids watch it.

    Nothing against the character, I'd have no problem with Elmo staying on Sesame Street.
  16. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member

    Heralde: if I remember correctly, one of the countries that made "Elmo's World" a spinoff is your homeland (Denmark); I've seen Danish versions of the show on YouTube. (Please accept my apology if I got your nationality wrong, though!)

    P.S. I too have nothing against Elmo as a character; what I do mind is any one character getting his own 15+ minutes of guaranteed airtime every day. If Big Bird or Oscar got the same treatment, you can bet that old-school fans would start hating them too... ;)
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yup exactly! (though I do think the adult humor back in the day was also beneficial to kids) And no I'm not from Denmark, not sure where you got that idea. But it's ok. :)
  18. ISNorden

    ISNorden Active Member

    I had you confused with a Danish user who posts here often...my fault! But as far as the in-jokes for adults go, I agree that kids learned a thing or two from the jokes as well.
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Yeah that's what I figured, no problem!
  20. LincolnHeights

    LincolnHeights New Member

    I'd have to say 1992 was the year it all changed for the worst. Once they got rid of the original opening they had been using since the premire episode in 1969, and got rid of the Electronic Chimes during the credits they had been using since 1972, it was a sign that Sesame Street as we knew it, was dead. After 1992 the show got more and more disapointing every year. JMO


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